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Suuure.... If you say so. Do you think I'd get tastier cups of tea if I plugged my kettle into it.
Reducing a computers EMI improves picture quality of attached monitors.
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Suuure.... If you say so. Do you think I'd get tastier cups of tea if I plugged my kettle into it.
Those Tacima line conditions do work.
Jay85 is reporting improvements on this forum after trying with it on an Edifier 2.1 system. There is also a high number of 5 star reviews on Amazon. I've also used on at a friends house where he was having mains issues to improve his HiFi.
This video also.
And here is someone using the Tacima and the Russ Andrews together (just like i'm doing). Of course he's getting negative comments from people who have never tried, but that's how these things go.
Also the chap in this video is talking about RA cables costing over £200 new. I'm talking about entry level RA cables from ebay for about £40 upwards (the one in my photo was £40). I mention this again before someone says I'm promoting spending hundreds of pounds on RA cables that I'm not. I'm saying you can try the RA cables without spending much money, if you don't like them then re-sell them again on eBay.
People posting about things they have never tried is a bit ridiculous, would you take advice on the stock market from someone who has never purchased shares.
Jay85 is reporting improvements on this forum after trying with it on an Edifier 2.1 system. There is also a high number of 5 star reviews on Amazon. I've also used on at a friends house where he was having mains issues to improve his HiFi.
This video also.
And here is someone using the Tacima and the Russ Andrews together (just like i'm doing). Of course he's getting negative comments from people who have never tried, but that's how these things go.
Also the chap in this video is talking about RA cables costing over £200 new. I'm talking about entry level RA cables from ebay for about £40 upwards (the one in my photo was £40). I mention this again before someone says I'm promoting spending hundreds of pounds on RA cables that I'm not. I'm saying you can try the RA cables without spending much money, if you don't like them then re-sell them again on eBay.
People posting about things they have never tried is a bit ridiculous, would you take advice on the stock market from someone who has never purchased shares.
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I've spend quite some time testing both the Tacima's and RA cables on various equipment.
I will double down again they also improved picture quality of my monitors.
Jay85 reporting improvement on his Edifier 2.1 from the Tacima.
Hundreds of 5 star reviews for the Tacima, 70,000 Russ Andrews power cables sold. See those two videos above, but otherwise search google for people posting about the RA cables on HiFi forums.
I also have a theory a computer will be more stable with these. Surely better quality AC and less EMI going into a computer can only help, the aviation industry go to great lengths to reduce EMI on aircraft.
There is a huge weight of evidence these things make improvements, saying they don't without even trying is ridiculous.
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So that's a no then.
Sorry but amazon review mean nothing. All of the above is subjective opinion. I'm not saying they don't I'm saying there is no evidence. 70,000 russ andrews cables sold ? Lul wut, even if that's true all it says is that he's/they're good at selling. Popularity is no measure of quality. as for the what hifi quote ("releases the stranglehold the mains supply can exert over electronics, releasing the attack and timing our reference equipment is cable of.") , seriously ? If that's the case why don't they have it in their 'reference' system' permanently if it so good ?
That video you linked above the guy says - oh normally I put a power conditioner in and then take it out, normally they mute the sounds, yada yada... but not this one! OK so whats the difference then? oh that's right no actual objective information. Maybe we should get Big Clive on the case . as you were
The Russ Andrews cables were independently tested by 3C Test Ltd and shown they reduce both RFI and EMI.
https://www.whathifi.com/news/russ-andrews-wins-asa-case-and-cleared-misleading-consumers
It's clear your belief system will not accept that better AC mains improve audio or visual quality. When you take that position without even trying it's your loss as your learning nothing.
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The question is whether the reduction in EMI and RF. IMPROVES THE AUDIO. That is not what was 'decided' in that case you quoted above.
you say it does, I say I'm yet to be convinced, no one can produce any evidence. It's all subjective. You admit you haven't even done a double blind so to be frank, it makes your opinion quite worthless as an objective measure, since you will have bias either consciouslyor unconsciously, preconceptions. It's standard practice to do double blind trials in many fields.
There' not much point in discussing this further. EMI Can be reduced. It's probably a good thing. Does it make an actual difference ? does it depend on the mains supply in first place ? What about if you use batteries instead of Mains ? Do physical vibration pads add to the effect? What about cable risers so the electrons are free to moev around the wires free from obstructions of the floor? What about the mains wire T+E in your walls ? If these things are so good why not put the into the PSUS of the amplifiers ?
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If you care so much then at least buy the Tacima from Amazon, there £38 at the moment, Amazon give free returns. Same with the RA cables, some on eBay around £40, again try and resell if you don't like.
Then you can say I tried and they made no difference.
What your doing along with 95% of others in this thread, is writing the conclusion without actually doing the test.
This thread is similar to the Honda S2000 / Integra Type R / Civic Type R threads. Where someone posts about the handling on these cars, and the forum then turn on that person. Then say 10 years later people drive one of these cars for first time, and they realise they were totally wrong and the cars handled and drove brilliant after all.
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i might do that
I'm not concluding anything! Your prejudge of me is colouring your responses.
Ok understood, however looking at some of the replies from others you can forgive me for thinking this.
But yes, if you have reasonably good quality audio equipment then please try the Tacima. You should also try one of the Russ Andrews cables.
There is no benefit to myself for writing these posts, all I've ever done along with other cable threads is post the truth of the differences I'm finding. I'm even telling people to buy second hand entry level RA cables that give the best improvement for money.
If it was the other way around, say I tried these things and they never worked, then someone else was posting on the subject I would equally say they don't work.
No, there is a poison in the audiophile scene of bro science.
We are on a computer forum and on a weekly if not sometimes daily basis you get people referencing electrical and thermal and sometimes audio testing being done on electrical devices.
A company posts they've got the quietest and coolest graphics card since sliced bread. You get 20 people crawling over it with temperature probes and a microphone.
But marketing for audiophiles has this surprising niche which straight up assumes their target audience is stupid and it works because enough people want to believe.
Where's the instrument gathered data on how the sound or picture changes when you strap a surge protector on? Surely the manufacturer of an electrical device isn't saying trust me bro, offering no measured data and you're believing it...
You can filter and surge protect a power cable all you want and get the most filtered and surge protected cable ever. But go and read Russ Andrews site and look again for a single time they state a measurable value this has on any audio or visual output.
They never give you a value ever but imply benefits constantly.
Right this moment you're describing your own leaps of faith.
They have your faith and didn't have to prove a single audio or visual benefit.
Of course if they gave a value then they'd have the technical nerds swarming over them with test equipment to prove it one way or another. Then the ASA would weigh in and bring the hammer down on any lying. Best to keep milking the believers who don't need evidence.
I totally agree, RA never give you any specs as such, it's just implied that you will get an improvement. That said when you understand the twisted mains cable reduces EMI there is an actual science behind them. I already posted a video showing how twisted cables reduce EMI. See post 27.
Going back to my studio monitors (active speakers), the RCA input is only about 3.5 inch away from the mains AC input. It's not unreasonable to conclude that EMI is getting from the transformer side into the source side and the RA power cables reduce this, that in turn explains the improvement in sound quality.
There is another improvement I noticed also but not mentioned before.
I use an Asus Essence STX II sound card, connected to a Seasonic Prime PSU (the Essence takes power directly from PSU not motherboard). When I tried the RA power cable on my computer (that is still connected), my Asus Essence sound quality improved, however it was subtle and I had to listen for a few hours to appreciate the difference.
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No!. It IS unreasonable to conclude. It's entirely irrational and unreasonable to conclude ANYTING from that. You may suspect it. You can even hypothesise about it. Do some tests. measure some things, then you may come to the conclusion (incorrectly or otherwise) but until that point no one can reasonable conclude anything. It's pure conjecture.
The step to elevate what you're doing from assumption to proof is unambiguously measuring the output which is claimed to be improved.
The manufacturer of these goods doesn't present such evidence, reviewers promoting the products with referral links don't present such evidence.
Their standard is claiming that they are the tools measuring the devices they are making money from. And they're half right.
No oscilloscopes in sight, no monitor calibration tools and unbelievably for "audiophiles" no microphone examination of the sound output. Audiophiles not examining the sound with proper technology!
Filters have a function, twisted wires have a function, surge protectors have a function. Gluing the whole lot in means absolutely nothing without proper examination of the results.
The manufacturer of these goods doesn't present such evidence, reviewers promoting the products with referral links don't present such evidence.
Their standard is claiming that they are the tools measuring the devices they are making money from. And they're half right.
No oscilloscopes in sight, no monitor calibration tools and unbelievably for "audiophiles" no microphone examination of the sound output. Audiophiles not examining the sound with proper technology!
Filters have a function, twisted wires have a function, surge protectors have a function. Gluing the whole lot in means absolutely nothing without proper examination of the results.
Again with either the RA mains cable, and / or the Tacima power line conditioner, I'm seeing improvements to both audio and video. I would not of created this thread otherwise.
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in this case i would love to see some pictures they clearly demonstrate the not small, but significant improvement in the picture quality of your monitor. This should be a trivial thing to demonstrate if the effect is as you describe it.
Many thanks
If I owned one of these I would. Differences to difficult to show on a normal camera.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Calibrite-...9Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
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are you saying the emi reduction is improving colour accuracy? Wow. That’s quite a thing.
Read both articles you linked and decide what you're saying with them
One article talks about a test that looked at inductance in audio cables, how does this support claimed benefits of filters in power cables. The other says that yes there are electrical filters in Russ Andrews cables but zero claims of how this affects audio or visual results.
The Advertising Standards Agency cannot touch companies like Russ Andrews for lying as long as they do not put any measurable values to their vague audio claims.
How can the audiophile scene capable of spending tens of thousands on gear be incapable of obtaining audio recording equipment to prove the money isn't being ****** into the wind.
No makes whites brighter, blacks blacker, better contrast and less blur.