Ref Gibbo Update on 3080 Shipping

[Freddie1980]

I cant see any of these available to buy do you have the link ?

never mind its a £2000 AIO version.

There were a few variants last week and I had a quick check on my phone this morning and saw at least one SKU and assumed they were still about. Still people paying 50% over the MRSP but not that crazy when other lines (3080's) are over 3x the MRSP!

 

[pc-guy]

Just to cover this again.

The SI (system integration) allocation is a lot smaller than the retail allocation but it's essential because Nvidia's SI customers have hundreds of thousands of employees who rely on the continuation of that business. To give you an idea of the split that I'm referring to. For a recent launch, across every brand, every model, we received about 300 cards, and 30 of those were for my system business. Is this REALLY unreasonable?

As somebody who's a vocal advocate of crypto mining, there are plenty of people here who would think you are the one who is morally bankrupt. At least with the SI business, the aim is to get the cards into the hands of people who will use them for their intended purpose.

That’s not the situation I have encountered in other SI. Other players with thousands of units outputs (can’t name names) have plenty stock and able to satisfy orders within normal build time. For a few weeks in April they ran out and there was a wait period over 7 days mainly due to the blockage of shipping. but that hasn’t been the case since.

you maybe describing what OCUK is but that’s not what I have experienced and come across. I have seen retailers deliberately withholding stock for bundle builds and a well done online place is known for this.

I do like your last bit about my attitude towards mining so you can’t attack me on my arguments and attack people who wants to offset their sky high GPU cost charged by retailers like yourself. Bravo! You probably now saying most of the tech forum users are morally bankrupt.

for your information I have 1x3070 and had 1x2070S both mined to give me some money to offset the cost of 3070 I paid

 

[pc-guy]

If you can’t afford to be out of pocket maybe you shouldn’t be spending that money on a computer component in the first place.

To quote another retailer’s FAQ’s:



No-one knew quite how long this would take and how bad it would get, and if the queue was made up of 10x more people who simply registered interest, then OCUK would have even less of an idea what was going on and who actually wanted a card when the time came.

Pull your head out of your ass - it seems to give you 20/20 hindsight which is no use to anyone.

£800 may be nothing to you but a lot to some. And what about people who paid £800 got nothing for 9 months and don’t have anything decent in their system to game or do whatever they need or want to and now they probably can’t afford to buy a card cos money is tied up?

charge people deposit instead is another way of not financially screwing people.

the other retailer which you “kindly” quoted had satisfied their preorder about 3/4 months ago. I consider that as reasonable. What is unreasonable is to have 10,000 preorders taking full payment knowing the cards aren’t gonna be here at all then 9 months later still holding money…

Ok now clearly the reality is that those preorders can’t be fulfilled because there simply ain’t enough stock coming in. So the best is either swap something for these poor chaps with stock that are coming in or cancel and maybe offer some kind of discount for future purchases or alternative as card prices have clearly gone up from MSRP 9 months down the line.

anyway there is a nice way of doing it or the OC way I guess

 

[Five.Stars]

£800 may be nothing to you but a lot to some. And what about people who paid £800 got nothing for 9 months and don’t have anything decent in their system to game or do whatever they need or want to and now they probably can’t afford to buy a card cos money is tied up?

charge people deposit instead is another way of not financially screwing people.

the other retailer which you “kindly” quoted had satisfied their preorder about 3/4 months ago. I consider that as reasonable. What is unreasonable is to have 10,000 preorders taking full payment knowing the cards aren’t gonna be here at all then 9 months later still holding money…

Ok now clearly the reality is that those preorders can’t be fulfilled because there simply ain’t enough stock coming in. So the best is either swap something for these poor chaps with stock that are coming in or cancel and maybe offer some kind of discount for future purchases or alternative as card prices have clearly gone up from MSRP 9 months down the line.

anyway there is a nice way of doing it or the OC way I guess

100% agree mate.

 

[ScottiB]

That’s not the situation I have encountered in other SI. Other players with thousands of units outputs (can’t name names) have plenty stock and able to satisfy orders within normal build time. For a few weeks in April they ran out and there was a wait period over 7 days mainly due to the blockage of shipping. but that hasn’t been the case since.

you maybe describing what OCUK is but that’s not what I have experienced and come across. I have seen retailers deliberately withholding stock for bundle builds and a well done online place is known for this.

I do like your last bit about my attitude towards mining so you can’t attack me on my arguments and attack people who wants to offset their sky high GPU cost charged by retailers like yourself. Bravo! You probably now saying most of the tech forum users are morally bankrupt.

for your information I have 1x3070 and had 1x2070S both mined to give me some money to offset the cost of 3070 I paid

I can't comment on allocation for "other SIs" especially those who are solely SI. Naturally I'd expect them to get more stock than me because they do larger volumes. As a company we've made a decision to maintain our volumes at levels which we can manage. We don't really have the space to do more. If we'd wanted to be greedy there was more than enough demand for us to have grown but that would have meant syphoning stock from retail supplies. We are a small SI in the grand scheme, we focus on premium builds.

We considered the bundle thing as another way to minimise the miner/scalper influence, but frankly our back order queues were the pressing concern for us so the cards which we hadn't got back orders for went towards upgrades.

I don't want to argue with you and I'm not attacking you...I did some mining myself a few years back, I've got friends who did quite a lot back during the earlier booms.

My point was that there's too many snap judgements being made based on a superficial overview and guesswork, potentially influenced by preconceptions, at the moment.
You called us "morally bankrupt" for running our business the way that we've done for nearly 20 years. Some here might see you as morally bankrupt for promoting the thing which is heavily responsible for their inability to get a GPU themselves. I'm sure that neither is the truth.

 

[ScottiB]

£800 may be nothing to you....

You know I completely understand where you're coming from but what you're suggesting is beyond the capability of our current e-commerce software. We have to take full payment because that's how he website and our 'ERP' was written to operate.

As I've mentioned before, we're in the midst of a major overhaul of our systems which we hope to complete this year.

 

[chrcoluk]

Personally I think OCUK have been outstanding in their communication, they have revealed far more information than they have to, they could have kept with the queue system, and the refund form and that would have been adequate, but they have gone beyond that posting information that other retailers might have considered commercially sensitive.

 

[james.miller]

Ok now clearly the reality is that those preorders can’t be fulfilled because there simply ain’t enough stock coming in. So the best is either swap something for these poor chaps with stock that are coming in or cancel and maybe offer some kind of discount for future purchases or alternative as card prices have clearly gone up from MSRP 9 months down the line.

What stock would that be then? The stock already bound to fulfil other preorders? How's that going to work?

It's soo easy to tell a multi million pound company how to do their job, isn't it?

 

[Penfold101]

£800 may be nothing to you but a lot to some. And what about people who paid £800 got nothing for 9 months and don’t have anything decent in their system to game or do whatever they need or want to and now they probably can’t afford to buy a card cos money is tied up?

charge people deposit instead is another way of not financially screwing people.

the other retailer which you “kindly” quoted had satisfied their preorder about 3/4 months ago. I consider that as reasonable. What is unreasonable is to have 10,000 preorders taking full payment knowing the cards aren’t gonna be here at all then 9 months later still holding money…

Ok now clearly the reality is that those preorders can’t be fulfilled because there simply ain’t enough stock coming in. So the best is either swap something for these poor chaps with stock that are coming in or cancel and maybe offer some kind of discount for future purchases or alternative as card prices have clearly gone up from MSRP 9 months down the line.

Where did I say £800 is nothing to me? Everyone’s situation is different, but if you can’t afford to have that tied up then you shouldn’t be buying it in the first place - it’s not a difficult concept.

The retailer I quoted still has 118 preorders for the 3080 outstanding, as shown on their site, and almost 500 pre-builts and bundles in the queue for one too as I understand it, so no - they haven’t ‘filled their orders months ago’…

At the end of the day, everyone has been offered the option to cancel for a full refund, and they have been able to do so at any point in the last 9 months. If you think you have a better business model, go and set it up yourself and see how you get on.

 

[varkanoid]

100% Agree.

If you dont like it you have had the right to cancel like anywhere else since day 1. Just baffles me how OCUK are getting blamed by a small minority for "holding peoples money" as though said people dont have any choice. Despite limited availability there is still a choice. End of day its not OCUK fault no cards are coming through.

Pre-orders were took when it was believed by Nvidia, Distributors etc "there would be plenty of stock on release day" so in essence you could sayu OCUK have been hoodwinked too. As soon as they realised the supply problems they stopped taking pre-orders. Despite this they still got moaned at for not taking orders ! Its been said many many many times that the OCUK computer system is creaking so there was no way to integrate any other method.

To be honest its bordering on childish its bit like the kid who cant have Tracey Island at Xmas because stock has run out.

 

[Penfold101]

To be honest its bordering on childish its bit like the kid who cant have Tracey Island at Xmas because stock has run out.

Got a solution for that too

 

[varkanoid]

Got a solution for that too

or go on youtube and search "make my own gpu"