• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

Ref Gibbo Update on 3080 Shipping

man...prebuilds is the only way to get a rtx 30 card since march...prebuilders or retailers have prebuild capacities have been holding stock since then. this all happened way before the so-said distributor tactics.
...
retailers and prebuilders know the supply constraint - holding off stock and waiting for people to bite the prebuilds or expensive prebuilds with much much higher margin.

everyone from the manufacturer to the distributor to the retailers are in this game for themselves, not to serve the consumer. if they see an oppotunity to make more money and increase their margin they will. they will use every tactics possible. thats what you fail to appreciate.

Just to cover this again.

The SI (system integration) allocation is a lot smaller than the retail allocation but it's essential because Nvidia's SI customers have hundreds of thousands of employees who rely on the continuation of that business. To give you an idea of the split that I'm referring to. For a recent launch, across every brand, every model, we received about 300 cards, and 30 of those were for my system business. Is this REALLY unreasonable?

As somebody who's a vocal advocate of crypto mining, there are plenty of people here who would think you are the one who is morally bankrupt. At least with the SI business, the aim is to get the cards into the hands of people who will use them for their intended purpose.
 
Erm, top 3 for mining is now `crap`?

sorry my mistake not interested in mining just thought that was the case hence why they are still in stock plus there is no mention of AMD doing what Nvidia are doing limiting them.

Does say "think". :)

Although I'm yet to see a mining farm full of AMD GPU's all the ones I've seen are Nvidia cards.
 
sorry my mistake not interested in mining just thought that was the case hence why they are still in stock plus there is no mention of AMD doing what Nvidia are doing limiting them.

Does say "think". :)

Although I'm yet to see a mining farm full of AMD GPU's all the ones I've seen are Nvidia cards.

6800xt is a cracking card I think people just have tunnel vision on nvidia and to be fair my current card would have been a 3070 if the stock was available


but the rx6700xt does everything I need and dont regret it for one second
 
6800xt is a cracking card I think people just have tunnel vision on nvidia and to be fair my current card would have been a 3070 if the stock was available


but the rx6700xt does everything I need and dont regret it for one second

If I had choice I would have got a 6800xt or ideally a 6900xt just as I fancied going all AMD this time round but I just couldnt get one. I was just very lucky for once to get the 3080fe before Xmas. Crazy thing now is I could probably sell the 3080fe and get a 6900xt with very little extra paid if at all.

Think I used "just" to many times there. Just.
 
Your talking out your rear end.

1) Communication has been 2nd to none with Gibbo posting updates of what stock is due in and when. He's also posted in updates not just on the whole backlog but by individual SKU's and maintained a convoluted custom queue for 9 months for 1000s of people so they can track their position.

2) OCUK have generously upgraded for free some people's back orders to higher end SKU's to help clear down the queue.

3) 3080's were never in the voucher system

4) You say you would consider switching to another card and paying the difference. Well then go right ahead there are 6700XT's and 6900XT's available to buy so call the main number and tell the sales agent which card you want and cancel your pre order.

Hello Freddie - you seem quite angry that someone may have a different opinion than your own. You appear to be an active forum member, so as the communication has been via your preferred medium, you likely have not seen an issue. To clarify my point:

1) The information provided is good, I have not claimed otherwise. My point is that checking the forums regularly is not a normal way to get updates for an online purchase, email is. The weekly queue position update is great, and I am by no means saying that every forum update should be pushed to email, but certainly things like a recommendation to cancel should be. Effective communication is the responsibility of the person talking, not the audience.

2) Again, I am not sure where I said this was not the case. This is fantastic, it was good, and not something that I criticised.

3) My mistake then. The issue is back to point 1 though, communication. I checked the forum and saw mention of a voucher system and couldn't verify what was being done or not as it was in the member's forum.

4) I'll take a look now, I wasn't aware that these cards were available to buy as it was not communicated to me as someone with a preorder in a potential route forward.

1. Thank you.
2. We have upgraded several hundred orders now, it loses us money but we make money elsewhere, balancing act, if we can get orders out, even with losses we do so as for us the priority is shipping a customers order.
3. Correct, we did three voucher deals to date, two private and one public, the latter failed miserably because as predicted the voucher code was leaked onto chat rooms etc and the majority attempting to buy were doing so to scalp, alarmingly several were forum members, we manage to catch several and cancel their orders, which subsequently resulted in their eBay post been pulled.
4. The best method would be people buy the card they see in stock whether it be OcUK or a competitor and then request a cancellation via the online form because the phone lines, webnote system are still busier than ever.

@Gibbo - The information you have provided and the actions you have taken to try and minimise the issues that are completely out of your control has been brilliant. The main point I am making is that checking for new forum posts vs even an email update to pre-orders every month or so makes it difficult to understand what options are available, or suggested actions someone with a pre-order should take (e.g. cancelling).

My frustration with the voucher system was, it seems, completely down to my misunderstanding of what was done. This misunderstanding was due to only finding out about it via a forum thread.

I would hope that the majority of people who have pre-orders are aware that supply issues are completely out of OCUK control and that you are actually going above and beyond to try to make right of the situation. While there are some points I think could be improved with how information is communicated, that does not change the fact that your response to the situation has been fantastic and something that should be proactively communicated to all those with pre-orders to ensure they are aware of how fantastic OCUK are being.

Thank you for all your work, as I can only empathise with what a pain in the backside it must continue to be for all involved.
 
If I had choice I would have got a 6800xt or ideally a 6900xt just as I fancied going all AMD this time round but I just couldnt get one. I was just very lucky for once to get the 3080fe before Xmas. Crazy thing now is I could probably sell the 3080fe and get a 6900xt with very little extra paid if at all.

Think I used "just" to many times there. Just.

its an option but I tend to think if everything is working leave it be
 
sorry my mistake not interested in mining just thought that was the case hence why they are still in stock plus there is no mention of AMD doing what Nvidia are doing limiting them.

Does say "think". :)

Although I'm yet to see a mining farm full of AMD GPU's all the ones I've seen are Nvidia cards.

In order of actual output its 3090>3080> 68xx and 6900 range > 3070 (3060Ti) > 3080Ti > 2080Ti>5700XT > 3060> 6700XT . The GDDR6X cards run very hot ram, over 100 degrees when ETH mining, and really need the thermal pads changed.
 
In order of actual output its 3090>3080> 68xx and 6900 range > 3070 (3060Ti) > 3080Ti > 2080Ti>5700XT > 3060> 6700XT . The GDDR6X cards run very hot ram, over 100 degrees when ETH mining, and really need the thermal pads changed.

Where are you getting your numbers? According to Minerstat, the 6800/6900 cards are comparable to an overclocked 3070 (on Ethash anyway) - the Radeon VII on the other hand is a beast.
 
Just to cover this again.

The SI (system integration) allocation is a lot smaller than the retail allocation but it's essential because Nvidia's SI customers have hundreds of thousands of employees who rely on the continuation of that business. To give you an idea of the split that I'm referring to. For a recent launch, across every brand, every model, we received about 300 cards, and 30 of those were for my system business. Is this REALLY unreasonable?

As somebody who's a vocal advocate of crypto mining, there are plenty of people here who would think you are the one who is morally bankrupt. At least with the SI business, the aim is to get the cards into the hands of people who will use them for their intended purpose.

+1 on the SI business, it's one of the only reliable ways of getting the cards to people who actually want to use them for what they were designed for.

10% allocation for systems is reasonable. Imagine not being able to sell a £xxxx system because the retailer sold all their cards to scalpers/miners, commercial suicide in the long run for any system builder.
 
Where are you getting your numbers? According to Minerstat, the 6800/6900 cards are comparable to an overclocked 3070 (on Ethash anyway) - the Radeon VII on the other hand is a beast.

and you can overclock a 68xx as well. They come in at around 66 mh/s on ETH (info from nicehash). Output per watt at teh top end - the 3070 is king. For mid range its the RX 580
 
In terms of performance, efficiency and price the 3060ti is by far the best mining card assuming everything was available at MSRP although it probably would be beaten by a 3070ti if it was not mining locked as that would have pulled around 80MH/s while coming in at £529.
 
In terms of performance, efficiency and price the 3060ti is by far the best mining card assuming everything was available at MSRP although it probably would be beaten by a 3070ti if it was not mining locked as that would have pulled around 80MH/s while coming in at £529.


At stock they are both similar at 60 mh/s
 
they shouldn't be charging people in full...end of. they should have used holding charge instead so people dont end up £800 out of pocket for 9 months and clearly some are very unhappy.

If you can’t afford to be out of pocket maybe you shouldn’t be spending that money on a computer component in the first place.

To quote another retailer’s FAQ’s:

If we did not charge, there would be a distorted queue as customers would simply register interest. This would give unrealistic forecasts for obvious reasons. Much in the same way as people book concert ticket, or pay for a seat on an airline ; you are paying for a future access to guarantee stock; a pre-order works in exactly the same way. With the addition of the pre-order promise, you have the choice to be refunded immediately without any penalty.

No-one knew quite how long this would take and how bad it would get, and if the queue was made up of 10x more people who simply registered interest, then OCUK would have even less of an idea what was going on and who actually wanted a card when the time came.

Pull your head out of your ass - it seems to give you 20/20 hindsight which is no use to anyone.
 
Yeah, given sane pricing and availability, I definitely think the 3060 Ti and 3080 non-Ti would be the top picks for mining right now.



Sane pricing doesnt exist though :p

Actually, given the entire lack of availability over the last 9 months - ANY card is good for mining, if it can be bought
 
Back
Top Bottom