Refusing to fill out the census

[Burnsy2023]

The census contract and the tv license contract. Well it is more a legal contract.

The tv license, even if you don't have a tv, you have to make a "claim of declaration"

definition: dec·la·ra·tion, A plaintiff's statement of claims in proceedings

They trick you in to signing a legal contract.

Your freeman knowledge is poor padawan.

Even the OED (which is by no means actually relevant to the root argument) has more than one definition:

a formal or explicit statement or announcement:
a declaration of love
the formal announcement of the beginning of a state or condition:
the declaration of war
a written public announcement of intentions or of the terms of an agreement.
(also declaration of the poll)British a public official announcement of the votes cast for candidates in an election.
Lawa plaintiff's statement of claims in proceedings.
Lawan affirmation made in place of an oath.
the naming of trumps in bridge , whist, or a similar card game.
an announcement of a combination held in certain card games.

They are not tricking you into a contract. And there is more to law than case and tort law.

 

[muon]

He basically wants to pick and choose which laws to follow.

Also I suppose the Act doesn't say you must do it, but that the authorities have the right to fine you.

 

[haaammit]

Just out of idle curiosity - how are the fines imposed?

Say a house of four people (mum, dad and two offspring over the age of 18) refuses to fill out the form. Who would get the fine?

 

[anything I don't mind]

Of course i have read it, that is why I am asking someone to point it out. Because i know it is not in there.

But the point is that it does not matter if it states in the statute if you are legally obliged to enter in to a legal contract. If they take you to court because you refuse to complete it, there is a conflict of interest in the court and you will not win and they will fine you as part of their revenue collection procedures. As per normal.

So best option is to never give them your name and just tell them, that you will not supply any information.

I would be happy to fill out the census form if it was anonymous and was genuinely interested in collecting information for practical reasons. But the census these days stops short of asking how many pubes you have on your privates.

 

[ScarySquirrel]

I do hope everyone that refused to complete the census gets completely owned with fines and stuff. Idiots.

 

[Brookert]

Just out of idle curiosity - how are the fines imposed?

Say a house of four people (mum, dad and two offspring over the age of 18) refuses to fill out the form. Who would get the fine?

Legal occupier of the house maybe?

 

[Semple]

There is no part that says you have a "choice" to enter into a contract, this isn't a mortgage or a loan we're talking about. You're the person who has decided to live in this country and therefore you must abide by it's laws.

There's no contract I'm signing to say I won't murder someone, but that's not to say that I'm not breaking a law if I do so.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Now that I think of it, why is groen even talking about a contract? You don't agree to abide by the laws of the land. The laws apply, full stop. They don't apply to you just because you agree to them.

 

[Brookert]

Now that I think of it, why is groen even talking about a contract? You don't agree to abide by the laws of the land. He laws apply, full stop. They don't apply to you just because you agree to them.

agreed

I think this is just a case of the 'legend' syndrome i.e. person who refuses to fill out the census is 'sticking it to the man' or 'going against the establishment'.

Too many of those nowadays.

 

[Semple]

I couldn't do the job where the census people knock on people's doors asking if they have filled in a census. I'd end up getting in an argument with the tool about how stupid he is in thinking that he doesn't have to abide by UK laws just because he hasn't signed a contract with them all.

 

[davieg]

Ah well when the PCT funding and facilities run short in the places where these people who refuse to fill the forms in start needing something and find their local area doesn't qualify for certain funding due to being 1 or 2 under the required population for that local area they really have no reason to go moaning at anyone but themselves.

 

[Ahleckz]

I'll bold the important bits for you:

I am still waiting for the exact part of the legislation which states, i am legally obliged to enter in to a legal contract.

1)Subject to the provisions of this Act, it shall be lawful for His Majesty by Order in Council from time to time to direct that a census shall be taken for Great Britain, or for any part of Great Britain, and any Order under this section may prescribe—

(c)the particulars to be stated in the returns:

The schedule provides what can be asked. If you were complaining about how broad the census can potentailly be and are worried about that I would probably agree with you based on this:

Any other matters with respect to which it is desirable to obtain statistical information with a view to ascertaining the social or civil condition of the population.

Whilst you live within the confines of this country you abide by the laws set by your elected representatives. The Census Act 1920 provides them with the legal right to put out a census of the people and contains provisions within to compel the people to fill it out.

 

[AHarvey]

What a plank!

reminds me of the photographers that were going out on purpose to try and get grief from security guards and the police just so they can approach the papers.

 

[Jonny69]

I do hope everyone that refused to complete the census gets completely owned with fines and stuff. Idiots.

I hope their line on the census reads "Your relative is a time wasting pedant and we've had to fine them for being a difficult ******" so that their relatives can look back in 100 years and see how much of an arse they are. I've really enjoyed finding out about my family, where they lived and what they did, because they have put their details on the old censuses'ses. At no point have I had to think any of them were complete morons

 

[Vonhelmet]

What a plank!

reminds me of the photographers that were going out on purpose to try and get grief from security guards and the police just so they can approach the papers.

Except some of those laws are utterly ludicrous and unjust, whereas you'd have to be utterly insane go think that the census is.

 

[Cosimo]

I do hope everyone that refused to complete the census gets completely owned with fines and stuff. Idiots.

Hear hear!

 

[arknor]

how is a requirement like a request ? thats what one plank in a video keep saying..

i always thought a "requirement" is something you are required to do.. not something you can do as an optional extra...

 

[Basher]

Of course i have read it, that is why I am asking someone to point it out. Because i know it is not in there.

I suggest you read it again, because it is.

 

[Lopéz]

Groen, you need to head over to the David Icke forums, you'll fit right in with all the other paranoid folk.

 

[Tefal]

Groen, you need to head over to the David Icke forums, you'll fit right in with all the other paranoid folk.

See that's what i don't get they believe all the lizard men, super secret world government that quietly kills dissidents yet they stand on a soapbox and yell about it?

Surely they should have been killed by the government now, or at the very least be under surveillance.

wouldn't the intelligent paranoid person never act as anything other than a "sheep" to avoid detection.

It always strikes me more as people wanting to feel important by believing they're part of some big "resistance" and one of the few who know the "truth" and so feel the need to shout about it.