Remote vs Hybrid vs On-Site - Where do you draw the line?

Office environment is also important to the above I think - our is all open plan with very few private spaces. This means when it’s busy that it’s very noisy, very distracting and more importantly, means I have to pick where I sit carefully in order to get my (more sensitive than most) work done. Full time in the office wouldn’t work at all in my case due to the above - I’d have to permanently book out office rooms to get some peace and quiet so I could focus. Especially since I’m not particularly extroverted.
 
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I personally like being in the office but it depends on the company, the culture and the commute. If those are all good I'd happily go in daily.

For me I feel 2-3 days a week in the office is absolutely what I'd call hybrid.

Whilst it's been proven that we don't need to go in daily people overlook the importance of developing working relationships with your peers and colleagues. This is a human element that needs human contact , those spontaneous conversations are often vital for solving problems, creativity but also understanding deeper elements of work.

Again this is all role and industry dependent, however what isn't role or industry dependent is being a human being. Irrespective if you're an introvert or not spending time with people is a really important thing not just for mental health (although hugely important) but it's a critical human and element.

Theres a lot of disingenuous arguments about being in the office being better for interactions and communication while at the same time micromanaging the office so that none of these things can actually happen.
 
Theres a lot of disingenuous arguments about being in the office being better for interactions and communication while at the same time micromanaging the office so that none of these things can actually happen.

It depends on the leadership and the business. I agree it's often over egged by some. I'm just speaking personally. :)
 
When I start the new job I will be in one day a week. I'm actually looking forward to that, as I enjoyed going in meeting some of the team and discussing things in person at the interview. But anything more than two days a week for me would be challenging. I've gotten much better at being disciplined since the first lockdown though.
 
Here's my understanding of the three popular work arrangement terms:

Remote: There's no obligation to travel to an office, with potential optional get-togethers 1-3 times a year (not mandatory).

Hybrid: Maximum 50/50 split between office and remote work. If you need to attend the office 3-4 days a week, it's not really hybrid anymore. In my view, anything requiring over 50% attendance falls into the on-site category with remote work flexibility as a perk.

On-site: Requiring 3+ days per week in the office.

What does everyone else think?

The options are whatever the management and policies say they are. Then there are obviously local arrangements with line managers.

My preference would be hybrid. But I wish our organisation hadn't picked Weds as a mandatory day. It's the new Monday everything is packed, standing room only if you are lucky. Driving, parking trains, it's all a nightmare. Commute is painful.
 
Fair enough.

I'll say the majority of people I interact with who bang on about communication being better in the office are absolutely brutal at communication.

Oh as ever those who speak the loudest are often the ones with the least to say of least capable of being able to say it!

Working in major projects (infrastructure) those face to face meetings and incidental conversations and spontaneous brainstorming or idea discussions are a lot more natural and prevalent face to face. Sometimes it's just by overhearing a conversation or bumping into someone that it triggers some thoughts etc...

Of course you can make the effort to engineer that online but I guess for me at least and my generation of colleagues we're still very much wired in that face to face method.
 
Office environment is also important to the above I think - our is all open plan with very few private spaces. This means when it’s busy that it’s very noisy, very distracting and more importantly, means I have to pick where I sit carefully in order to get my (more sensitive than most) work done. Full time in the office wouldn’t work at all in my case due to the above - I’d have to permanently book out office rooms to get some peace and quiet so I could focus. Especially since I’m not particularly extroverted.
Being in a dev role this is similar for me, I get so much more work done when I'm sat at home in peace and not in an open plan office with people trying to spark up random conversations every 5 minutes. Then on the other hand when I've not got any particularly heavy dev to get on with I quite enjoy my office days chatting crap with my team.
 
Oh as ever those who speak the loudest are often the ones with the least to say of least capable of being able to say it!

Working in major projects (infrastructure) those face to face meetings and incidental conversations and spontaneous brainstorming or idea discussions are a lot more natural and prevalent face to face. Sometimes it's just by overhearing a conversation or bumping into someone that it triggers some thoughts etc...

Of course you can make the effort to engineer that online but I guess for me at least and my generation of colleagues we're still very much wired in that face to face method.

I don't think it's a generational thing. It's just some people are good communicators regardless of medium. Some people just aren't.

It's probably also depends on the industry and the specific work.
 
Being in a dev role this is similar for me, I get so much more work done when I'm sat at home in peace and not in an open plan office with people trying to spark up random conversations every 5 minutes. Then on the other hand when I've not got any particularly heavy dev to get on with I quite enjoy my office days chatting crap with my team.
You switched from management to dev? I've the same view, although my dream job would be remote with the ability to travel. I've 3 friends with jobs like that and the amount of places they've been to is insane.
I don't think it's a generational thing. It's just some people are good communicators regardless of medium. Some people just aren't.

It's probably also depends on the industry and the specific work.
I find it a lot less distracting when on a call with no camera, the ability to move about with Bluetooth headset or phone in hand helps me to concentrate. At my last workplace, I've seen a few people do that with camera on, but I feel like it's distracting others.
 
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You switched from management to dev? I've the same view, although my dream job would be remote with the ability to travel. I've 3 friends with jobs like that and the amount of places they've been to is insane.
Nope always been a dev, couldn't think of anything worse than a management role and having to deal with other peoples issues :cry:
 
Being in a dev role this is similar for me, I get so much more work done when I'm sat at home in peace and not in an open plan office with people trying to spark up random conversations every 5 minutes. Then on the other hand when I've not got any particularly heavy dev to get on with I quite enjoy my office days chatting crap with my team.

I find on mandatory day where everyone is in, all the poor communicators and poor managers come out of the woodwork with unscheduled tasks and meetings. Its the most unproductive day of the week.

But for sure there is work, especially coding where a quiet day or at home is a better environment.
 
Fully remote. Although I don't mind meeting up with people every couple of months and do travel a little for various work visits. Great having no geographical limitations on where I can live though.

Game changer tbh. I thought I'd get lonely stuck at home all day instead of an office environment, but Teams means I probably talk more during the day now, working at home than I did when in an office - due to open plan offices being a den of whispering busy bodies.
 
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There are advantages and disadvantages to all three arrangements. It all depends on your own personality, your employer, other employees (especially direct team members), the nature of the role, distance/cost of travel and how well you can compensate for the lack of face-to-face communication in your personal life. I'm sure that if you're neurodivergent or even just introverted and don't socialise very well in person or have a limited social battery, then a completely remote role where your communication is mainly through messaging or voice calls will be a good arrangement. However, you could also argue that by avoiding the things you find difficult or don't enjoy, you'll just fall further behind your peers. While WFH means you'll avoid certain distractions, you'll also need to be much more disciplined, as many people fall into bad habits when no one is watching, getting out of bed 5 mins before work, taking longer breaks, doing chores, playing games, etc. when there's actually work to be done (fair enough if it's genuine down time). It's easy to think that everything should be based purely on performance, but as we all know, that's not how business works.

I've been fully remote for years now, only in office a few days a year as they moved HO further away. It was great to start with, but for me, and discussions I've had with friends who've done the same, it wears you down over the years, unless you're really happy being a bit of a hermit (this forum definitely has a bias in that direction). I have a fantastic home office, a family and socialise with friends on a weekly basis, go for walks before, during and after work, but the separation between home and work just isn't there anymore and no, I don't work outside my contracted hours. Variety is the spice of life, as they say, and for me at least, working completely remotely really limits any kind of variety in my day-to-day life. The days, weeks and even months now just seem to blur into one.

Of everyone I know personally, I'm the only one who's still fully remote. Everyone else has either been forced back into the office for a few days a week or chosen to go back to hybrid, and everyone seems happier for it, despite some initial reluctance from some of those forced back. I'm sure there will be many cases of those at the other end of the spectrum who refused to go back in, handed in their notice and found another fully remote position. Different strokes for different folks! I don't agree, however, with lumping people into categories and suggesting that those who want to be in the office or on-site tend to be worse communicators etc. It's much more nuanced than that, and black and white thinking should be avoided.
 
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My views on this have changed over the years. When I had my business, I preferred getting into the office every day and seeing the staff. We had a pretty decent work environment though and no one grudged being there.

On the other hand, when I took a job, they had a mandatory 2 days per week in the office which I found to be totally unproductive for everyone. Senior management meetings, middle management meetings, dev meetings, project meetings, half days for some but not others, it was so disruptive, no one got any work done.

Now that I’ve spent this year working out of my home office for myself again, I wouldn't go back. I’m so much more productive and happier without a stressful commute, being asked questions every 10 minutes and dealing with different personalities. I had to drop my other half off at the station this morning and it took an hour sat in traffic to do the simplest of trips… I feel sorry for the poor buggers that need to do it and count myself lucky.

I do make sure to get out of the house, taking the dog walks during the day, being on the road to see clients, you need some interaction and fresh air for sanity.

I also think this all depends on personality traits and how motivated you are, some people need accountability and a bit of a push, let’s be honest. I also know people that work for larger companies that sit at home and play the xbox all day. For me thats not on but different people…
 
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For me I feel 2-3 days a week in the office is absolutely what I'd call hybrid.

Whilst it's been proven that we don't need to go in daily people overlook the importance of developing working relationships with your peers and colleagues. This is a human element that needs human contact , those spontaneous conversations are often vital for solving problems, creativity but also understanding deeper elements of work.

Yup, certainly for project work the start of the week + another day would be useful - get people together for a weekly meeting at the start + the second day for clarifying stuff/dealing with additional issues once work has started.

Could be cut down to perhaps Monday morning in office (so just 1.5 days a week in the office even rather than 2 days)- then go home Monday afternoon and do dedicated work - then back in the office either Tuesday or Wednesday to deal with [issues] in person, then more focused work at home to get everything done by the end of the week.

For younger people it would probably make more sense to be in the office 3 days a week; Monday + one of Tuesday or Wednesday + Friday too for socialising.
 
Yup, certainly for project work the start of the week + another day would be useful - get people together for a weekly meeting at the start + the second day for clarifying stuff/dealing with additional issues once work has started.

Could be cut down to perhaps Monday morning in office (so just 1.5 days a week in the office even rather than 2 days)- then go home Monday afternoon and do dedicated work - then back in the office either Tuesday or Wednesday to deal with [issues] in person, then more focused work at home to get everything done by the end of the week.

For younger people it would probably make more sense to be in the office 3 days a week; Monday + one of Tuesday or Wednesday + Friday too for socialising.
Friday for socialising hasn't been a thing for 4 years. Thursday is the new Friday for after work drinks
 
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Friday for socialising hasn't been a thing for 4 years. Thursday is the new Friday for after work drinks

No, both are - there's been lots of Thursday is the new Friday stuff in the press over the past couple of years and it's definitely gotten busier thanks to hybrid working + certainly true in places like the City but overall Friday is still busier.
Night-time spend typically peaks on a Friday evening in London as a whole. However, the spend peaks on Thursday evenings in the CAZ. Saturday nights see the most post-midnight spend.
 
The last 2 companies I worked at always went with Wednesday/Thursday, as not many people were interested in Fridays due to personal plans etc.
 
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