Renovating a w/c room - studding out walls and tiling floors

Buffman · 6 Sep 2022 at 14:40

Was going to go a 6mm notched trowel (so 3mm adhesive bed) and back butter all tiles (just by sliding a small amount into each tile on the flat edge).

Theres a small section that's not quite level under the sink and behind the bog. I was going to use either 8mm trowel(so 4mm adhesive bed) or 10mm trowel (so 5mm adhesive bed) to take that up.

Sound about right? @200sols @Participant @bigfoot4616 @Sin_Chase[/USER [USER=2544]@Simon ... Thoughts? Know you were interested in my other thread (which I need to post some more "finished" pics of

GarethSouthgate · 6 Sep 2022 at 18:05

Buffman said:
The Spiked roller is for when using self leveller. As I understand its to help "release trapped air bubbles, preventing them from curing on the surface."

It is a grinding disc to attach to an angle grinder to cut porcelain tiles.

Attached a pic of the order. I ended up ordering from Pro tiler tools, but the order was late (told me it would arrive Friday then didn't, and asked if I'd like to pay £60 more for Saturday delivery). There was also nail through one of the bags of tile adhesive. I've found them a pain before and probably won't use them again.

Nice one, thanks.

Buffman · 6 Sep 2022 at 22:14

Even dry laying these is a bit of a pain but got a layout that I think looks good and minimises cuts... I realise I need the cross posts too and that I don't have enough centre posts...

Perfect Level Master - Reusable Crosses / Spacers - 3mm - Bag 100

Perfect Level Master - Reusable Crosses / Spacers - 3mm - Bag 100, One of the major advantages of the Perfect Level Master System is an innovative type of cross unlike traditional methods. The crosses used in this system do not fall in between the gaps.

pureadhesion.co.uk

200sols · 7 Sep 2022 at 17:22

Buffman said:
Was going to go a 6mm notched trowel (so 3mm adhesive bed) and back butter all tiles (just by sliding a small amount into each tile on the flat edge).

Theres a small section that's not quite level under the sink and behind the bog. I was going to use either 8mm trowel(so 4mm adhesive bed) or 10mm trowel (so 5mm adhesive bed) to take that up.

Sound about right? @200sols @Participant @bigfoot4616 @Sin_Chase[/USER [USER=2544]@Simon ... Thoughts? Know you were interested in my other thread (which I need to post some more "finished" pics of

Should be fine. I wipe back of tile to get rid of dust then 'burn in' a layer of adhesive on the tile. Basically just wipe the flat edge of trowel against tile then lay, you'll find pretty much 100% adhesive coverage doing that.

Buffman · 9 Sep 2022 at 21:48

Wow wish I didn't mix 20kg of adhesive in one go.... Fortunately it said a couple of hours set and I managed to keep going to 10pm last night.

All the level master clips knocked out easily which was good.

Looks like once I lay the rest then grout it should look good.

dlockers · 9 Sep 2022 at 21:55

Looks good!

When are you going to lay the actual tiles though?

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Buffman · 10 Sep 2022 at 18:54

Finished. Any pro tips for grouting @200sols ?

200sols · 11 Sep 2022 at 07:59

Buffman said:
Finished. Any pro tips for grouting @200sols ?

Have lots of sponges on hand!

A final polish with a dry microfiber cloth works well at the end.

GarethSouthgate · 11 Sep 2022 at 12:22

Nice work, how are your knees holding up?

Is back buttering only needed for floor tiles or large wall tiles? Everyone seems to have different views on this topic.

GarethSouthgate · 11 Sep 2022 at 12:28

That stud wall/frame at the back of the room. You haven't screwed the horizontal studs into the vertical studs, do you plan to?

Buffman · 11 Sep 2022 at 17:56

200sols said:
Have lots of sponges on hand!

A final polish with a dry microfiber cloth works well at the end.

sigma said:
Nice work, how are your knees holding up?

Is back buttering only needed for floor tiles or large wall tiles? Everyone seems to have different views on this topic.

sigma said:
That stud wall/frame at the back of the room. You haven't screwed the horizontal studs into the vertical studs, do you plan to?

Thanks, now grouted, black grout was a *******! Was worried it would mark into the white parts of the tiles

There are a couple tiles that grout lines have gone out but generally got it quite level. Not bad for a first time tiling.

Yes that stud wall is just built out to plasterboard the wall and make it flat. It's all pretty solid.

Need it plastered, painted and ill change the sink too.im going to keep to the boxing in as it's too much arseache to stud out the whole wall for it.

dlockers · 11 Sep 2022 at 20:27

Looks great.

Too late now but for semi-dry grout I run one of these over it:

Vitrex Grout Finisher | Wickes.co.uk

Vitrex Grout Finisher

www.wickes.co.uk

Makes it neat and uniform all the way around.

timbob · 14 Sep 2022 at 18:46

I think it’s a good idea not to stud the whole wall out. Aside from the extra effort and expense, I think you’ll run into an issue with lack of elbow room when going for a dump…!

Buffman · 18 Sep 2022 at 18:52

timbob said:
I think it’s a good idea not to stud the whole wall out. Aside from the extra effort and expense, I think you’ll run into an issue with lack of elbow room when going for a dump…!

I don't think it would be bad, minor loss (around 25mm) but overall I'm leaving some boxing due to effort involved.

Ive now fitted my sink unit. Wondering wether to go option 1 and have a "slither"/smaller tile down right hand side (and no cut tiles visible) or to centre it all (means cut tiles will be visible adjacent the left side.

The right hand side of the sink will just be 2 whole tiles (and all will be 2 tiles height) so that's no probs.

Plumbed in

Unit

Option 1 for tiling

Buffman · 1 Oct 2022 at 20:05

Wow don't listen to anyone on the Internet that says use a grinder to mitre tile trim. Eventually got my mitre saw out and far better

dlockers · 1 Oct 2022 at 20:11

Looks spot on. Is that just a regular mitre saw with a different blade?

Buffman · 1 Oct 2022 at 20:15

dLockers said:
Looks spot on. Is that just a regular mitre saw with a different blade?

Yeah tbh the mitres are shockingly accurate (if they hold...) can't say the adhesive on these tiles is the best, had to play about with it a lot to get it all looking "right" /flush with trim etc. Not bad for first time wall tiling.

Its the standard wood+metal blade that comes with the evolution 3 saw. The whole saw was a good buy at about 40quid about 6 years ago, but it has jumped at me a few times so I don't use it much! I had to the hold the trim within and old floorboard off cut whilst cuttin it to stop it buckling, worked well.

Any tiling I've paid for they've never mitred the trim :'(

dlockers · 1 Oct 2022 at 20:23

I bought a simple one from Screwfix a while back which I need to really investigate its potential. Using it for tile trim will be one of the jobs for sure!

ANDARIAL · 2 Oct 2022 at 09:29

nice work,not my choice for floor tiles :eek:

but nice work anyway

Buffman · 2 Oct 2022 at 11:22

All the mitres etc held well but a couple tiles came off when knocking clips off (I suspect not enough adhesive behind them)

Is it ok to reprimer and retile? I've primered the tile too as couldn't get all the back butter off... I could just use another tile/cut another as I have quite a lot of spare.

@200sols what you reckon