Replaceing Shuttle need a Small(ish) Case

[Yewen]

That is not right, you can't use a PSU to cool a CPU.

That is complete component suicide.

Of course not, but the PSU is literally sitting on top of the heatsink, anyway my TAGAN is still running pulling hot air form a 130WATT CPU..oh speak to Jurek..add him to your MSN, he works for Silverstone...

[email protected]

Why would I need to add him? You have said the HSF needs a fan and is not designed to run without one.

Did a Silverstone Engineer tell you to use a PSU to cool a high heat output CPU?

 

[Nix]

That is not right, you can't use a PSU to cool a CPU.

I'll have to agree, PSU fans rarely push enough air as it is, an the air it is pushing will be a warm bi-product of the PSU itself. How does this help?

The only time it can be even considered would be if you had a passive CPU which was in a case designed for it. Small cases are not designed to be passive. Smaller cases mean less air flow and higher temperatures.

 

[Yewen]

You can get flex based systems that have CPU and GFX cooling from the PSU, but all the components are designed for it, usually low end Eden processors which output very small amounts of heat.

 

[GJUK]

well I be having a fan on my heatsink

I am leaning to either the v300 or the Sugo

I have a Hiper power Moduler PSU..will that be ok in either of the cases??

Will a X1900XT fit in the Sugo ok??




GJUK

 

[Tosk]

yea your gfx card should be ok in a sugo GJUK, just try to get a mother board where the gfx card slot is in the 2nd 1 like this..

just to make sure there is enuff space

 

[gr1mey]

I'll have to agree, PSU fans rarely push enough air as it is, an the air it is pushing will be a warm bi-product of the PSU itself. How does this help?

The lower fan in a good PSU draws air from the inside of the case, so temperature of the PSU does not affect it really.

But I do agree, you cannot rely on it to cool a NT06 passivley.

 

[meansizzler]

well I be having a fan on my heatsink

I am leaning to either the v300 or the Sugo

I have a Hiper power Moduler PSU..will that be ok in either of the cases??

Will a X1900XT fit in the Sugo ok??

GJUK

X1900XT will fit if you remove the top DVI connector, install the card then screw the dvi connecter back in..don't think the Hyper will fit, it's modular connectors are to big, the only Modular that will fit is the Tagan Modular series, I have one in my Sugo and it just about fits if you manage to sort out the cable routing, if you put a non modular PSU in good luck sorting the cables out, there a mess I tell you, takes about 45 minutes just to sort out tha cables when I had a non modular PSU...

Anyway my advice is get the Tagan Modular, and the NT06, it is the best cooling setup for your rig..the Conroe won't draw that much power the PSU will easily be able to hand that amount of heat....

NO SELLING OUTSIDE OF MM

£40 for the NT06 Cooler and £90 for the Case and £70 for the PSU, a 480Watt one should be fine...also I recommend getting the Zalman VF900 Cooler for the Graphics card, temp wise will be the same, you will just cut the noise down..also Install a Top fan in the Sugo Case, and you ready to go, you should get geat temps, just rememebr the SUGO is not a case for overclocking...so be warned, it is a SFF case afterall and decent heatsinks for it are limited...If you have any question just email me...I know the SUGO in and out...

Here is an Old pic of my SUGO with a Non modular PSU...safe ot say it's actually pretty neat, even though it does not look it

Oh Remember to USE SATA only hard drives as it will be much neater and order the SIlverstone CPO1 SATA 2 Cables, makes it look neat...

EDIT: Seems a lot of People are Usign the Enermax Liberty PSUto cool the X2 3800 CPU's and NT06, there getting under 50's at load, seems promsing, so i'd get the Enermax over the Tagan, it actually was my first choice of PSU to get, but no store carried it at the time so I got the TAgan instead, TAgan FAns run to slow and the Enermax has Huge Heatsinks so go for that...

Sorry cast post link to article....

 

[Yewen]

Why do you keep mentioning the NT06 being the best cooler!

You say you have no fan on it and its cooled by the PSU fan, this is not good cooling so please don't recommend people violate all their warranties by running a chip insanely hot!

The reason you P-D runs so hot is your heatsink is rubbish without a dedicated fan. Don't recommend people run the same system as you.

Your not allowed to sell outside the MM either.

just rememebr the SUGO is not a case for overclocking...so be warned, it is a SFF case afterall and decent heatsinks for it are limited..

What on earth are you on?

The Sugo is the second best SFF for overclocking after the Sugo Evolution, it offers the best possibility for temperatures if you know what you are doing.

 

[meansizzler]

What on earth are you on?

The Sugo is the second best SFF for overclocking after the Sugo Evolution, it offers the best possibility for temperatures if you know what you are doing.

Depends what cooler are you using, I bet there are a lot of pratts out there that run a sugo with a PSU with a bottom 120MM fan and a cooler like a stock intel, so they will be fighting for air, reason my pentium D runs so Hot is casue it it a hot PSU in a very small case, even with the Stock Intel cooler it runs at 62 Degrees at load, your telling me that's stable enough to overclock?..

I have tried many fans in the SUGO...but for low powerd CPU's the NT06 will win, it is recommend cooler by silverstone for the case, like the NT03 was when it came back, just send an email to [email protected], I have a test report which silverstone sent me runing the NT06 in the SUGO and they got under 50's at full Load for a Pentium D 840, so maybe it's my PSU, anyway lots of people have reportedsucces with running an AMD X2 in a Sugo with NT06 so a conroe should run great...

Oh and you keep saying about voiding your warranty, well using a 3rd party cooler other than a stock Intel one immediately voids your warranty with a BOXED Intel CPU, but hey How will Intle find out, same reason they will not find out if you run a Passive CPU in your case...maybe you should order an NT06 for yourself and see for oyurself the tmeps you get with an AMD or low powered Intel CPU...

 

[Yewen]

Coolers fighting for air is not a bad thing (in the sense of the word), just match the direction of airflow on them, try it and you will see it is an improvement over no fan at all.

Silverstone would recommend you one of their own heatsinks for a Sugo would'nt they, think about it.

Yes on a retail chip you do, but not OEM.

 

[GJUK]

you 2 finished????..lol

I do still like the v300...could do with some internal shots of that..I have no problem chopping a bit out to get my GFX card to fit..Ionly ever going to use the 3.5inch bay for a card reader anyway..

Will my hiper power be ok for the v300??

Would a fanless PSU be ok for these cases??(being the v300 and the sugo sg01

while I am fter pics could do with some of the black v300..not to sure about it being black and silver..maybe I could paint the silver inside..say purple..ummmm

oh it was so much better when I liked shuttles..lol

 

[daddyorchips]

I'm interested in one of these Sugo cases too, only I think it's a tad ugly (coming from a Shuttle SN25P here)... However, the size is just about puurfect.

As it isn't aluminium based, is the Sugo heavy? Is there a M-ATX board out there or on the horizon that will support a Conroe CPU? Also, would this case fit a X1900XT combined with a X-Fire soundcard? How about a 7950?

Cheers!

 

[Yewen]

It is not heavy, the front is aluminium.

Yes there should be if not already a board out that supports Conroe.

Get me some dimensions and I will be able to tell you, highly likely is my response to the graphics cards though.

Buzz me on msn or email if you want any Sugo Evo pics.

 

[bigjonnyauk]

well i have a sugo evolution and aint a great overclocker but i have read a few things here and also have a few questions

answers first lol

a hiper modular psu will fit just takes a bit of bending but it will fit

i decided though to go for the antec neo modular 480w this fits great with no probs also i got a reduced length pioneer dvd writer which gives you much more room this psu has no fan under it which also help

as for the cpu and this nitrogen thing i just run a amd 64 3200 with the stock heatsink and fan and my temps are 42 idle and around 53 when gaming which i think is pefectley acceptable


@Yewen

the evolution has 3 fans

side blowing onto hard drive

top rear and top centre on left side

now i have the side blowing in and top rear blowing out

cant make my mind up though about the other top one would u have it blowing in just over gfx card (temps on gfx with stock fan on 6800gs) are 43 idle and upto 65-70 when gaming or have it extracting

the sugo evo as u know has many vents in the side of the case each side so my intial thought of blowing out seemed a good idea

but then i got to thinking blowing in might be better as the air would go over the heatsink on the northbridge and also over the gfx card

what ya think

 

[Kezmo]

Id say have it blowing in and stick a silverstone fx121 on the other side sucking the warm air out, this is how ive got mine set up and my temps are uber low for my spec

 

[Yewen]

Have the top fan thats on a angle blowing in, and the HDD blowing in aswell, what I am running with 5v acoutsifans.

You temperatures on that graphics card are very low, in a cheiffy scorpio my mates card is 15deg higher on both idle and load, that is a cool running card.

Just how I run it, not necissarily the best way to do it as I have not done much, but it seems to be a intake based case, as it has no wind tunnel style airflow due to the amount of holes right down the side, the fans are just there to prevent heat buildup really.

 

[Herminator]

I got a couple more components for my V300 build so here's a quick photo.
I decided to go for the fairly expensive SilverStone NT-03, which looks like it will turn out to be a good choice. It lines up well with the side fan on the V300 case, so I'll have the HSF's dual fans pulling air through it and straight to the side fan which will pull the air straight out of the case. It will also be pulling air over the mobo's chipset heatsink.

Thats a 6600GT in the background, which has an inch to spare before it touches the floppy drive bay.

I'm still waiting on a power supply, my two usual shops are out of stock of the 400W version I want.
I also plan on fitting an IMon VFD, with a digi-tv card and windows MCE it should be a nice little media pc.

 

[Yewen]

Looking good.

The NT03 is a decent cooler, I agree with the slightly high price tag but it is ideal for SFF.

I went with a Blue Orb II for my Sugo and modded the case, funnily enough more suited to silence when using hardware throttling.

 

[meansizzler]

should have gone with an NT05.., like £20..NT03 IS SUPER LOUD!!!!...stay clear of it, otehr coolers out there the same size that do a better job and a lower noise level...

 

[Werewolf]

should have gone with an NT05.., like £20..NT03 IS SUPER LOUD!!!!...stay clear of it, otehr coolers out there the same size that do a better job and a lower noise level...

And may not fit.

I've been following a couple of threads and have to admit the idea of running a heatsink without a fan (other than the PSU one) intrigues me, but is completely impractical (suicidal I would say) for modern CPU's as the average PSU barely shifts any air, and what is moved is not directly over the heatsink.
You used to be able to get such passively cooled heatsinks for some old CPU's, but they were always part of a very carefully designed and tested system, I beleive Dell and Gateway used to use them in some of their machines and those heatsinks were beasts, huge lumps that still used to get pretty darned hot despite the case/system being designed with them in mind, and the lower power consumption CPU's.