Right lets talk everyone - are we all just been psychologically tricked into "needing" new graphics cards?

[StarShock]

Nobody ever has to upgrade for gaming, specially not if you've got what was a high end graphics card from 3 years ago. But hey, it's a hobby, it's fun to play with new gear.

For me I have strict rules about when it's worth upgrading, must have at least 150% performance increase over what I have now and must cost under my relatively low budget. At the moment the only new card who's price we know is under that budget is the 5070, and it does not look like it's performance will clear that barrier. So I hope the 9070xt offers better price to performance, otherwise it's gonna be another generation before I upgrade.

 

[Gray2233]

I'm 42, not 'geriatric'

I'm 40, absolutely in geriatric territory as a very active guy.

Joking aside, I think you need a new optician, or you simply have different standards. I think your comparisons are extremely poor too tbh, car A being faster than B or having better handling are blatant even if you're blind as a bat. You're talking about a visual medium, there is nothing "crisp" or "pristine" about an image rendered via VRR/FSR at 3440 x 1440, but if you disagree why don't you post some screenshots?

 

[Mysterae_]

I can see what you're trying to do OP.

You're trying to put off as many people as possible from buying a 5090 so that it increases your odds of getting one at launch .

 

[Combat squirrel]

I'm 40, absolutely in geriatric territory as a very active guy.

Joking aside, I think you need a new optician, or you simply have different standards. I think your comparisons are extremely poor too tbh, car A being faster than B or having better handling are blatant even if you're blind as a bat. You're talking about a visual medium, there is nothing "crisp" or "pristine" about an image rendered via VRR/FSR at 3440 x 1440, but if you disagree why don't you post some screenshots?

Its great image quality, 3840x1600 btw - you must be failing fast if you think you're geriatric at 40!! Go to a docs

I think you're just being too picky & making out the IQ is enormously different just isn't true................... I work as a photographer too so I'm used to studying image quality!

Yeah sure as I've said there is a technical difference here, but it simply doesn't matter..........where do we draw the sensible line, there is no way image quality thats 'hard to tell unless you really try hard to look' is worth £2500 is there - hobby or not!

I can get some screen shots sure - but getting photos as it appears on my monitor is hard, as I'm running it HDR and obviously photographing a monitor = potato quality images. At best it would show the image looks 'clean enough' with nice clean lines etc but the colour & HDR wont work in a screen grab.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Frothing lunatic justifies not buying graphics card he can't afford for reasons which soothe his ego while throwing shade at those who don't care about his views. Back to you John for the weather.

 

[Gray2233]

I can get some screen shots sure - but getting photos as it appears on my monitor is hard, as I'm running it HDR and obviously photographing a monitor = potato quality images. At best it would show the image looks 'clean enough' with nice clean lines etc but the colour & HDR wont work in a screen grab.

I recently benched in the 140KG range, largely because I don't want to go over the top. Not bad for 40 I'd hope, but I absolutely am slowing down.

Please post, we'd all love to see them, image degradation is something most invested in these levels of hardware (on this forum at least, in terms of regulars) are well aware of.

The rest just comes across as excuses frankly.

 

[Combat squirrel]

I recently benched in the 140KG range, largely because I don't want to go over the top. Not bad for 40 I'd hope, but I absolutely am slowing down.

Please post, we'd all love to see them, imagine degradation is something most invested in these levels of hardware (on this forum at least, in terms of regulars) are well aware of.

You changed your diet? That's had the biggest effect on improving me, look at us old men trying to stay young haha.

I think there is only 1 thing for it - whoever has a top end rig, 5090, 9800x3D, all the bells and whistles, I'll need to meet up, use the same monitor, and see how dramatic the difference is, in person, vs my now 'old' rig thats playing maxed settings at smooth frame rates........film the experience of gaming and post it! lol

Sure the newer system will be technically better, but to see first hand if its a total makeover, omg night and day difference or not, will be interesting.

 

[Gray2233]

You changed your diet? That's had the biggest effect on improving me, look at us old men trying to stay young haha.

Absolutely, thus the slowing down and geriatric joke

 

[will13]

Sure the newer system will be technically better, but to see first hand if its a total makeover, omg night and day difference or not, will be interesting.

Depends what game your talking about really, path tracing can be a transformative experience but if it's just extra raster numbers yeah it ain't gonna make much difference

 

[Major774]

Bank it, spank it… it’s how the world works for some.

Do we need the latest and greatest Apple iPhone… nope, but they sure are good at making you want it haha.

 

[Matson]

None of us, "need" any of this lol. It's simply a passion and a hobby and some people like to spend there money on there passions. Even if it is a slight upgrade. It's no difference than phones. Most phones do the same things just slightly faster or better. I'm 40 now and life is short. None of us are guaranteed to even be here when the next lot of cards come out so enjoy it while we can lol.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

I'm not being tricked in to buying anything, as the only thing that'd make me upgrade just now would be a reasonably priced 24GB VRAM card. 5000 series isn't for me, and whatever AMD release also wont be.
On my A770, if I find something that doesn't run well in the near future, I'll turn the settings down. One of the joys of PC gaming, it that we can do that.

 

[Ascendancy]

literally everything maxed, including ray tracing,

If everything in the game is maxed to the max

so as its already maxed out

im playing it maxed out smoothly

Again the settings are maxed out, so many responses on here saying im not playing it maxed out, when its all maxed.

playing maxed settings at smooth frame rates

You're not playing the game maxed out. You're playing the game at the maximum settings the game will let you play at with an AMD gpu. Path Tracing isn't even an option for you to turn on. This entire thread is the equivalent of me firing up my PS5, putting a game in 'fidelity' mode and then coming on here and talking about how I'm playing a game maxed out because the console won't let me set the graphics any higher.

 

[BUDFORCE]

Thread posted about buying GPUs, turns into 40 year old guys telling each other how much they can bench.....

 

[Armageus]

It must not be - but it looks crispy sharp, crispier than a sharp thing on sharp day with a sharp pen........but thats my point, if you can't tell, then why does it matter, I have 20/20 vision btw.

I can't tell what dynamic resolution my PS5 runs at any given time, but I don't delude myself into thinking that I am getting the best graphics experience possible on any platform.

Its great image quality, 3840x1600 btw

It's probably only 50-75% of that most of the time

vs my now 'old' rig thats playing maxed settings at smooth frame rates

But while you've got dynamic resolution turned on it isn't even maxed out on your hardware

 

[Ayahuasca]

What we really need is for him to compare screenshots with mrk, the true leveller.

 

[Hotwired]

I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

People buy non essentials to gain or maintain a feeling, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.

But if you're losing sleep over it maybe try buying some hardware see if you feel better. Might work.

 

[d_brennen]

My new 4k monitor is telling me I need a new high end GPU

 

[SpellowHouse]

So I've just been playing the new Indy game - apparently one of the hardest titles to run these days & this thoughts crossed my mind.

Spec: 5700X3D, 6800XT, 32GB Ram.

Everything absolutely maxed out, supreme settings, 3840x1600 on a 38" widescreen gaming monitor, VRR on, literally everything maxed, including ray tracing, the only 'trickery' enabled is 'dynamic resolution scaling'

64 fps, 99th 55fps low - and absolutely flawless looking image - I suppose it 'must be' doing something with resolution scaling but I'll be damned if I can tell - the lines look perfect, smooth, no blur.

It looks fantastic, and runs buttery smooth, my screens variable refresh is locking the refresh to the screen sync so feels great to play.

So why this hysterical "NEED" to play this game on a 5090? Many times I've seen comments on here 'oh im waiting to play it 'properly' on a 5090 .

Are we all just kidding ourselves? I literally fail to see how having a 5090 would make it any better, sure it would run at a few more fps, but the latency would actually go up once you start throwing on DLSS etc

My point is, the games already absolutely maxed out, it runs buttery smooth - no doubt we'll get someone replying 'they can tell' - but really, can you, its butter smooth mate, is it just in your head? - the lines look flawless, the textures amazing, the ray traced lighting is wonderful - the HDR looks amaze balls.

If everything in the game is maxed to the max, no matter what it runs on its going to look essentially the same but at say 90fps on a 5090 or 220 fps with magic AI smudging the image.

So sell it me - I can pay £2500 as far as I'm aware and have for all intents and purposes, the same experience, woopdee doo.

Is dynamic res scaling so insanely amazing on AMD I'm missing something? it looks fantastic.

If your answer is, if you pause it, get out a magnifying glass, strain your eyes and its fractionally better on a 5090, but then its smudged anyway by DLSS4, get in the bin, who cares if you're ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME.

So yeah, total mystery to me why id need to upgrade - the graphics settings are already topped out and it runs great.

Or do I have a magic 6800XT that's somehow running this far too fast? lol

There is no doubt that gamers are locked in to buying cycles. Habit and hype!!

It seems to be getting worse too. We are approaching limits where monitors are ten times faster than the human eye, resolutions and dynamic ranges higher, yet the obsession to buy seems to be getting worse.

I'm not saying I am free from this either! But recent price increases and performance figures are really starting to make me question everything.

 

[Josh]

I got a second hand 3090 2 years ago on the MM, still going strong and runs just thing well on my 42” LG OLED.

I think if I wanted 144+ fps and fully maxed out graphics I’d upgrade but most of the games I play 60 is plenty and the 3090 is more than capable.

Unless it dies, I’m probably going to miss this gen too.