RIP Chris Kyle

How many of the killed were women and children...? What a hero :p
Probably none, unlike a pilot dropping a bomb from a fast moving jet. As a sniper he will have been able to positively identify his target as someone hostile.

Rip
 
We've already been over this. The war in Iraq is illegal. We went there under false pretenses. There is no objective. When we pull out, will we see a difference? The answer is no, for the taliban will just regroup.

This is not WWII. People have a choice whether to join the army.


And lets not forget, we have already seen video footage of US troops DELIBERATELY killing afghan civilians and laughing about it. They are cowards and murderers. Acting under 'orders' is not a justifiable reason for murder. The nazis were following orders, yet they were still tried for war crimes.
 
It doesn't make your country any more dangerous...

If he didn't do those things the country may be a lot worse off..

From what i've recently read about him he was a very skilled individual who will be missed by many..

You can't go into countries and impose democracy. Why haven't we entered Syria? Or North Korea?
 
Once again you're displaying you're ability for pedantry over terms used and completely missing the context and claims of the debate.

Actually it is your inability to accept you are wrong about something so you go to great lengths to alter the terms of your original statements (like trying to change te terms from Islamist to Al Qaeda or trying to change the definition of terrorist attack instead of simply saying, "I wasn't aware of those incidents) or you resort to insults (such as calling me a Pedant).

I was answering the claim that us invading Afghanistan/Iraq is making us (as in the British Public and not foreign diplomats) safer. All the examples you cited were not terrorist attacks in the sense that the target was the indiscriminate killing of the general British public (like as with 7/7 for example) but rather highly political targeted attacks. And some weren't Islamist attacks at all but just attacks orchestrated out by people who happened to be Muslim (Like Lockerbie).

You stated there were NO Islamist terrorism in the UK prior to Afghanistan/Iraq. You are wrong. It really is as simple as that, Lockerbie for example was State Sponsored by an Islamic State and was allegedly sparked by Western Foreign Policy and several incidents between the US and Libya dating from the early 1980s, this included the death of Gadaffi's daughter in strikes flown from British Airbases with the consent of the UK Government.

All the examples I listed are offically recorded as Terrorist Attacks, and were carried out either by or under the auspices of Islamist political agendas or anti western policy and the idea that Islamist Terrorism is not politically motivated just illustrates how little you understand what Islamism is.

That our foreign policy makes us a target is not in doubt neither did I dispute that, I disputed the statement that there were no Islamist terrorist attacks in the UK or that involved UK citizens prior to 2001, that is demonstrably false, for example in 1983, on 26 December a bomb went off outside Marks and Spencer injuring two that was the responsibilty of the Abu Nidal Organisation, an Islamic terrorist with links or involvement with various other Islamist organisations and state sponsored islamic terrorism.

As I said, the vast majority of terrorism in the UK is domestic, but there were attacks in this country by Islamist Terrorists prior to 2001.
 
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so the general feeling is that everyone should be sent back to where they came from and no one nation should interfere with another regardless of what is happening? Going to be a big queue at Dover then :rolleyes:
 
More Americans are killed in Chicago each year than in Afghanistan.

I see you watched Fox News this morning :p

Meh - any death is sad.

But - I'll leave you to glorify a man who got paid to kill people.

+1

Personally I don't care much for this incident specifically, his death means as much to me as any random person that I don't know who has just died..

like now...


and now...


and now...
 
No, what's sad is that people glorify in ORGANISED MURDER. Why don't the government speak of the numerous afghan civilians that have been killed?

Soldiers are no hero's. The WWII ones were, but today's troops are not.
 
No, what's sad is that people glorify in ORGANISED MURDER. Why don't the government speak of the numerous afghan civilians that have been killed?

Soldiers are no hero's. The WWII ones were, but today's troops are not.

Murder is a legal term. It is by definition not murder. Agree with what Soldiers do or do not, but murder it isn't.

It also amuses me that people with no idea what soldiers are actually doing in Afghanistan are so quick to judge them as murderers and so on, maybe people might like to see what the ISAF do besides offering security to the Afghani Authorities before making such sweeping judgements.
 
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Because that's an equally intelligent comment.


In my opinion what he did is not something that should be applauded. Am I a disrespectful idiot for not agreeing with him being a hero?

No, but some of the comments in this thread are frankly disgusting. The man is dead, mud slinging after his death because you don't agree with what he is doing, even though what he was doing was perfectly lawful, and probably saved MORE lives than he ended, is just plain wrong.

I wasn't aiming my comment at you, more at some of the more... abhorrent posts.
 
No, what's sad is that people glorify in ORGANISED MURDER. Why don't the government speak of the numerous afghan civilians that have been killed?

Soldiers are no hero's. The WWII ones were, but today's troops are not.

So please explain why you think the pilots of WWII that you regard as "Heroes", dropped hundreds of tonnes of bomb on civilian cities, and yet a sniper who selects a target and fires with a strict code of ethics is a murderer?

Or does that not fit your deluded ideals?
 
So please explain why you think the pilots of WWII that you regard as "Heroes", dropped hundreds of tonnes of bomb on civilian cities, and yet a sniper who selects a target and fires with a strict code of ethics is a murderer?

Or does that not fit your deluded ideals?

And thankyou for that post. Said it a lot better than I could :)
 
Because WWII was needed. Hitler was threatening the whole world. He tried to bring Britain to her knees. Today's war however, is illegal.

Tell me, what is the objective of the war in Iraq?
 
Because WWII was needed. Hitler was threatening the whole world. He tried to bring Britain to her knees. Today's war however, is illegal.

Tell me, what is the objective of the war in Iraq?

Just so you know, you are being reported by several people for your inability to hold a civil discussion in the other thread. Please don't ruin this one too.

However, this time I'll bite:

THERE IS NO WAR IN IRAQ.
 
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