Rip-off Britain - inflation is 5% now?

The choice argument only works though if you actually have genuine choice, here the phone lines are rubbish so the only real option for a decent connection is virgin.

Its just tiresome having to cancel or renegotiate all these things each year as existing customers get screwed over.
 
FoxEye said:
Can you translate that into something I can understand?
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I've given this some thought but no, I can't do that. If your view is that you can't change or modify or fix or make better a problem you see then it's likely that you'll moan about that perceived problem more than you'll put focus on remedying it.

Does that make sense to you?
 
Puzzled said:
The choice argument only works though if you actually have genuine choice, here the phone lines are rubbish so the only real option for a decent connection is virgin.

Its just tiresome having to cancel or renegotiate all these things each year as existing customers get screwed over.
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Apparently they're all doing it anyhow.

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[FnG]magnolia said:
I've given this some thought but no, I can't do that. If your view is that you can't change or modify or fix or make better a problem you see then it's likely that you'll moan about that perceived problem more than you'll put focus on remedying it.

Does that make sense to you?
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I'm not in a position to tell the ISPs (collectively) not to raise their prices. Do you think I am?

If all the ISPs raise prices by a similar amount, that being ~5% yearly, then what, pray tell, is the simple solution to avoid paying more..

As you can see by the above graphic, many of the most popular providers are indeed raising prices by ~5% annually. CPI inflation is currently 1.3% annually, so add the values listed above and you can see they're all going to be raising prices by at least 5%. Yearly.

Should I start my own budget ISP? No? Then what, Mags? What's your magic solution?
 
I've nothing to add to this thread apart from imagine if house prices were included in our measures of inflation. Big lols then!

It does suck though.. I quit mobile phone contracts when they started doing this.
 
StriderX said:
Such a crucial part of society under the control of private enterprise was always going to be an exercise in futility.
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But state ownership of infrastructure is communism. Unless it's state ownership by proxy, and ze Germans, Dutch, French own all our infrastructure. Then it's totally fine.
 
FoxEye said:
I'm not in a position to tell the ISPs (collectively) not to raise their prices. Do you think I am?

If all the ISPs raise prices by a similar amount, that being ~5% yearly, then what, pray tell, is the simple solution to avoid paying more..

As you can see by the above graphic, many of the most popular providers are indeed raising prices by ~5% annually. CPI inflation is currently 1.3% annually, so add the values listed above and you can see they're all going to be raising prices by at least 5%. Yearly.

Should I start my own budget ISP? No? Then what, Mags? What's your magic solution?
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Well, let's put our big boy pants on. Pay for it, compete for it, or do neither.

Moaning, with some backing I agree with you, probably does nothing. What WILL you do? That's the bit I'm more interested in.
 
[FnG]magnolia said:
Well, let's put our big boy pants on. Pay for it, compete for it, or do neither.

Moaning, with some backing I agree with you, probably does nothing. What WILL you do? That's the bit I'm more interested in.
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Compete for what? You don't half talk some crap.

What I am going to compete for, exactly? Isn't it the other way round, that ISPs should compete for my business? But you're suggesting I need to compete, for what, exactly? Do you mean, "Get a better job?"

So it seems your real answer is, "Pony up or go without. Just stop moaning, because, reasons."

OK, thanks very much. Maybe now you can grace another thread with your vast wisdom.
 
Last month I negotiated £22 broadband (fibre 35) with anytime calls boost at £7 (half price). The previous time, 18 months back, I had seen a price for £19.95 BB with free calls boost. I went on chat and was told that was for new customers only so I got it for the £19.95 but paid £5 calls boost.
Absolutely fed up I emailed the CEO pointing out their terms and conditions and received a £90 rebate for the calls boost.
With talktalk and I suppose all of them you need to negotiate hard. This is a pain and frankly wrong. Some people will obtain a cheaper price, I include me, others who let it ride will pay much more for the same service. I always spend at least an hour on chat for me and then for the MIL arranging an 18 month BB contract. It is ridiculous however you have to do it.

I have already arranged the MIL does not get the price increase, now I will have to do it for me.
 
FoxEye said:
Compete for what? You don't half talk some crap.

What I am going to compete for, exactly? Isn't it the other way round, that ISPs should compete for my business? But you're suggesting I need to compete, for what, exactly? Do you mean, "Get a better job?"

So it seems your real answer is, "Pony up or go without. Just stop moaning, because, reasons."

OK, thanks very much. Maybe now you can grace another thread with your vast wisdom.
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What will you do this time that is different from the other times you've complained about things and have done nothing about?

Can you see a trend here?
 
Hagar said:
Last month I negotiated £22 broadband (fibre 35) with anytime calls boost at £7 (half price). The previous time, 18 months back, I had seen a price for £19.95 BB with free calls boost. I went on chat and was told that was for new customers only so I got it for the £19.95 but paid £5 calls boost.
Absolutely fed up I emailed the CEO pointing out their terms and conditions and received a £90 rebate for the calls boost.
With talktalk and I suppose all of them you need to negotiate hard. This is a pain and frankly wrong. Some people will obtain a cheaper price, I include me, others who let it ride will pay much more for the same service. I always spend at least an hour on chat for me and then for the MIL arranging an 18 month BB contract. It is ridiculous however you have to do it.
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Yeah I've haggled in the past, but there is one difference here.

The new contracts (from March 1) include the annual price rise in the T&C's of the contract itself.

Even if you negotiate a deal, from now on, you will always be subject to the price increases every April. TT have essentially ditched all the "fixed price" deals they used to have. They still have "fixed term" deals (24 months now), but you will pay the annual increase twice during the 24 month contract you must accept. And you can no longer use the price increases to leave you contract without paying a penalty.

Really, they have consumers over a barrel now.
 
FoxEye said:
Yeah I've haggled in the past, but there is one difference here.

The new contracts (from March 1) include the annual price rise in the T&C's of the contract itself.

Even if you negotiate a deal, from now on, you will always be subject to the price increases every April. TT have essentially ditched all the "fixed price" deals they used to have. They still have "fixed term" deals (24 months now), but you will pay the annual increase twice during the 24 month contract you must accept. And you can no longer use the price increases to leave you contract without paying a penalty.

Really, they have consumers over a barrel now.
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I read the email they sent the MIL. It includes people within a contract now which really peed me off, arranged three weeks ago.
I got her out of it by her being 86 and on a fixed income. They used words like well she is a vulnerable customer and would be excluded from the rise on that basis. I await my own email now for a contract arranged a day earlier than hers.
 
[FnG]magnolia said:
OK.

What do you want from this exchange?
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Nothing. Why did you come here? You weren't interested in discussing the topic. You started with a link to an unrelated thread and then seemingly decided to delve into armchair psychology. None of which was invited by me.

So you tell me, why are you here, in this thread?
 
FoxEye said:
Nothing. Why did you come here? You weren't interested in discussing the topic. You started with a link to an unrelated thread and then seemingly decided to delve into armchair psychology. None of which was invited by me.

So you tell me, why are you here, in this thread?
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I'm curious but hopeful.

You?
 
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