RIPA Request to Apple by UK

Cromulent said:
I don't disagree with you but if you true privacy you need to do it yourself. Relying on a company like Apple to keep you safe is a bad plan.

Encrypt all your data with GnuPG and upload it where ever you want. Use a privacy focused email service like ProtonMail and ensure your SSD/HDD drives are encrypted. Also use a VPN when needed.

If you do that then it doesn't matter what the government does.
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But if that's the case, that we can do it ourselves, then why bother weakening the security of services? Surely, the bad people are just going to "do it themselves" and the only people who suffer are the ordinary, people who are now more prone to being hacked.
I am sure that the more the government insist on access like this, the more services will just be withdrawn, because to change their service will be undermining the very nature of the service, something they are probably not prepared to do for just one country.
Proton, company in point, and I quote this, "are watching developments with alarm", because the UK law completely contradicts the laws of Switzerland. I suspect that they might be forced to withdraw from the UK completely if they are approached by the government. I mean, how can you NOT offer end-to-end encryption on a product that is sold on the basis of security?
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
The security services are not randomly accessing your cloud storage, they need a warrant signed off by a judge.
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And if they want to see what vanilla pron I look at, I don’t care lol

But as a whole…having the choice is good though.
 
Mr Jack said:
Hardly, the information is still on the device, as is the means to access the information. The law also has the right to compel people to reveal the key and unencrypt the data.
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It's not an exorcism! The power of christ compels you! People are compelled to do all sorts of things by law and just well...don't.
 
Dis86 said:
It's not an exorcism! The power of christ compels you! People are compelled to do all sorts of things by law and just well...don't.
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And then they get penalised in the way specified in law. That's how things are supposed to work.
 
Dis86 said:
Have you seen the penalties? They're not a threat nor are they a deterrent. They're pathetic.
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Would it not have been easier to come up with a system based on the presumed crime? So if the person will not provide the key then they are assumed to be guilty of the crimes they are accused of, unless they can come up with a reason that convinces a judge?
 
It is just a pity that creatives cannot protect their data in a similar way to prevent AI bots stealing their work for profit. That is the bigger crime in progress.
 
Hagar said:
It is just a pity that creatives cannot protect their data in a similar way to prevent AI bots stealing their work for profit. That is the bigger crime in progress.
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Yes, in an attempt to stop some criminals escaping justice, the UK enables the thousands of criminals they have no jurisdiction over - like the North Korean hackers.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
It’s kind of a moot point because the same act requires you to decrypt it or you are automatically found guilty of another offence which comes with jail time by default even if the data turns out to be irrelevant to their investigation.

The act is designed to be a legal shortcut to get the data in the event you refuse to decrypt it yourself, you’re only ever going to do that if it’s incriminating. The legal shortcut is that if they really want the data, they could pay someone £lol to brute force it as the famously did.
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Mr Jack said:
Hardly, the information is still on the device, as is the means to access the information. The law also has the right to compel people to reveal the key and unencrypt the data.
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This is where VeraCrypt's hidden volume comes in handy. If you're ever compelled to hand over the password you can give a dummy password that decrypts the outer non hidden volume. It's not possible to prove that a second hidden volume exists within the outer volume. It might be a little odd if it decrypts some useless files and a suspicious amount of empty space, but they can't send you to prison for not providing the password to something they aren't sure even exists.
 
SpellowHouse said:
Would it not have been easier to come up with a system based on the presumed crime? So if the person will not provide the key then they are assumed to be guilty of the crimes they are accused of, unless they can come up with a reason that convinces a judge?
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Innocent until proven guilty although I don't disagree with your logic.
 
SpellowHouse said:
Would it not have been easier to come up with a system based on the presumed crime? So if the person will not provide the key then they are assumed to be guilty of the crimes they are accused of, unless they can come up with a reason that convinces a judge?
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Think it 6 months prison time people had for refusing to give a mobile password

Edit: Just looked up a few of the last people that got charged for this and one got 3 months and the other got 12 months

Morley was sentenced to three months in prison for failing to disclose his PIN code
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Although there was a considerable amount of cannabis involved, the court accepted it was for personal use, but Judge Finch said it was the refusal to disclose his PIN number in this case which could not be seen as a way out.

He sentenced Walsh to eight months in prison for the possession of the cannabis resin and 12 months in prison for failing to disclose evidence.
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Raymond Lin said:
And if they want to see what vanilla pron I look at, I don’t care lol

But as a whole…having the choice is good though.
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I mean you think it's vanilla and without knowing your tastes i dare say it is, but can you or anyone for that matter say with 100% confidence that every UK government for the foreseeable future is always going to see it as vanilla.

Laws change as do peoples perception of what's acceptable, nobody who knows what the future holds so maybe one day your vanilla won't be so vanilla any more.

As the idiom goes "Never give the government a power you wouldn't feel comfortable giving to your worst enemy!"
 
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