As Berger has said, you need to remove the foreign object and let the sealant do its job. If you leave the item stuck in the tyre the sealant will be trying to fill a hole that is constantly being reopened and jiggled about.
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As Berger has said, you need to remove the foreign object and let the sealant do its job. If you leave the item stuck in the tyre the sealant will be trying to fill a hole that is constantly being reopened and jiggled about.
Haha they're awesome! Defo not very aero, but the fact they're so impressive they almost hide riding companions in selfies, I'm even more impressed!
It's the bits circled that stick out and look bonkers. I think my hair is too thick to slip through the vents but I have a pretty gnarly 7 row mohican after a long ride
It's a bit like much of this area & wales - some fantastic scenery and rural landscapes... But when it rains gets properly wet. Lots of run off from fields as everything is so rolling, so you don't get floods but lots of water just sitting on the road surfaces without much traffic to clear it - so you just get soaked through from any passing cars, or your own spray.
But that RC's in Yorkshire was about as biblical as you can get! Wasn't it something like only 40% of the Pro field actually finished the race?! Worth looking back at for just how 'British' the weather can get here - but also fantastic to see just how hard &fast the Pro's can ride in it... Bit like the start of the ToB last week!
Fantastic climbs and segments. Really brutal riding all around there! One of those places I'm quite close to - where I grew up it was around 2 hours to Blaenau and the whole of the Snowdown national park area, but never really went as it was still nearly 100 miles away and nothing really else there. Now I'm 3+ hours and 120+ miles away it's even harder to find an excuse to go there.
With Shimano 11 speed (di2) I think with the 8050 derailleur and 'road' double up front the maximum you can have a 34t cassette. 6870 it was 32t but I recall a GCN video where they showed it could just fit a 34, I'm unsure if that means you can squeeze in a 36t on the 8050 but I'd be surprised if so without some kinda clutch on a longer chain and a 'wolftooth' as there's a big physical difference between 34 and 36.I can only dream of being that well suited to climbing...Heavier and worse gearing here
I don't know I can get a bigger cassette on mine though (a 34 at present) and to get smaller at the front would mean smaller big ring too, right? Which I don't like the idea of...
With a 1X front, or the GRX side of things and 12 speed, there might be more lower options... I've not kept up with that - still trying to get myself over to di2!
How old was the sealant. Either old sealant (it 'goes off' and you end up with just the 'carrier' fluid spraying out and not the rubber compound which actually does the sealing) or just an 'unlucky' hole.
Yup, every spring when I take my autumn/winter wheels off and clean them out (remove old sealant for them to sit on a hook in the garage over the summer) I also remove the thorns exactly like that embedded in the carcass'. There was only 4 last year, the one before (my first) I had 6. All had sealed without me even noticing sealant. Replacing the tyres this time around so hadn't actually taken them off the wheels yet - one of the delayed jobs but 'Winter is Coming' I need to get around to it!Inspected the tyre I would have though the tubeless could have coped with this.
But yes, sealant should easily have sealed that, providing you had enough of it in there and it hadn't gone off. Tyres I've removed thorns from I've just resealed with sealant. I have worms and only used them once - on a friends torn sidewall. Actually the same friend had a similar problem this weekend - although wasn't riding with him - bead had started to tear away from the tyre. He managed to fix it enough with tube patches on the inside and putting a tube in @20psi to get home. Same guy has busted 2-3 Mavic wheels in the last few years too. Not sure what he's doing with them! He does far less miles than me too!
Well done & congrats! A good target for the next one! Also well done for using km already.
@Roady The tyre was a 25c and i had just about 45ml as i used a srynge to push it into the value with the core removed when i first filled it and as far as i could tell i didnt have any leaks beforehan. It would have been about a month old the sealent and was the muck off pink stuff. I still have plenty of sealent so i will give it another go, i assume i just need to patch the inside of the tyre where the thorn was and i should be good to go again.
Just an unlucky one then! Just put it down as being unfortunate.
Sealant definitely not old, so as @fez says the thorn jiggling around is stopping it do it's job - the hole keeps opening/reopening. Pulling the thorn when the tyre has some pressure in it, should then have let it seal without any assistance (except some air to top it up). A thorn hole is not normally too big for sealants (although not impossible - then you use a worm/plug to decrease the size of the hole).
But as you've got the tyre off, sealant out and identified the hole. You may as well patch it for peace of mind. I've just used normal tube patches before for any of mine I bothered to identify after pulling the thorns (and had cleaned the tyre enough for glue to stick to it). I figured plugs are for assisting sealant, once you're not using sealant for the sealing then I figured to just cater for the hole on it's own. Most of the time for thorn holes I have just remounted tyres without patching holes and let the fresh sealant do it's thing when remounting and leaving overnight (if needed). I've heard of people gluing tyres with superglue, but in my mind that doesn't work. It's too 'solid' and brittle, especially when exposed to changes in temperature and/or movement. Modellers rubber cement is more correct - it's the same glue stuff you have in traditional rubber patch kits. It's not too dissimilar to sealant - rubber compounds in a carrier which evaporates leaving the rubber, although the polymers in rubber cement are more sticky so they work more like a glue to hold things together.
Co2 also mentioned above should only be used as a last resort. I think the Muc-off is ok, but some other sealants go solid when you add co2 to the tyre, you freeze the sealant so you can actually make things worse! Co2 also leaks through rubber, so it's really a 'get me home' tool where you'll deflate the tyre and replace it with normal air afterwards - just like normal tubes. The co2 use with tubeless is usually for mounting troublesome/tricky tyres on rims, to get them to mount and 'pop' on the rim after failing with a track pump, before then replacing it with air. I've used them a few where a track pump wasn't enough, then got myself an inflator (which is superb and well recommended if you're looking to do tubeless yourself - it doesn't cost you £2+ a shot!).
Brrr! Getting colder out there on the morning commute... Tuesday really needed long fingered gloves, wasn't too bad Weds & Thurs, but glad I finally had them on today! Almost thought about a thicker jersey and could've done it... Still in arm+knee warmers with normal jerseys under a windproof/gabba gilet.
Kiddo started at Primary school this week, so no more Chariot towing for me... Not that I've really had an easier week with ZRL restarting so back into racing twice a week on Zwift again. Autumn/winter season suddenly here!
Aiming to make the most of the sunshine and head out with the club again. Have a bunch of chores to do at home, but can do that when it's colder and I'm unable to head out!
Kiddo started at Primary school this week, so no more Chariot towing for me... Not that I've really had an easier week with ZRL restarting so back into racing twice a week on Zwift again. Autumn/winter season suddenly here!
Aiming to make the most of the sunshine and head out with the club again. Have a bunch of chores to do at home, but can do that when it's colder and I'm unable to head out!
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Nice.
A bit of a contrast, I'm in Girona now. Wow... beautiful...
We did Els Angels today, which tbh was easy compared to Masnou that we did just after the coffee stop... oof! It's like some of the climbs in the Chilterns, but instead of maybe 200m, it goes on for almost a mile
(Oh, and 31°C yesterday, 27° today)
A bit of a contrast, I'm in Girona now. Wow... beautiful...
We did Els Angels today, which tbh was easy compared to Masnou that we did just after the coffee stop... oof! It's like some of the climbs in the Chilterns, but instead of maybe 200m, it goes on for almost a mile
(Oh, and 31°C yesterday, 27° today)
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Dug myself into a bit of a hole on saturday. 14 riders out, bit of a hilly course and although nobody really complained when it came time for John to take the 'short route' riders with him, we found only 4 of us left for the main/full route. FFS! Steve was nursing a sore knee so peeled off at 25 miles before the 2 bigger climbs. I paced them well but the worst being Clifford followed by a crouched descent had a sore knee myself too! Took it easier for a bit and the other 2 sat up for me, knee free'd up but every time we hit any gradient my legs had gone. Took an easier ride/shortcut home. Not sure if it was fuelling enough, or just being too fatigued as didn't sleep well all week. Good ride otherwise though!
Cofiwch Dryweryn!
Fantastic picture though and the Diverge is looking great!
Pffft! Made of harder stuff than me, I've been wearing them in the afternoons for at least a month, maybe more. The number of morning commutes without sleeves where quite high this year - highest number I've ever done! But still probably less than a dozen all year lolshort sleeves still on Tuesday morning!
It might look beautiful but it's history is quite a bit darker - Welsh water being taken for English Industry without consent...At Afon Tryweryn ... lovely around there.
Cofiwch Dryweryn!
Fantastic picture though and the Diverge is looking great!
Phenomenal riding and pictures mate, have enjoyed watching! And well done for Saturday/Rocacorba! Very jealous - and of the weather you've had!Nice.
A bit of a contrast, I'm in Girona now. Wow... beautiful...
We did Els Angels today, which tbh was easy compared to Masnou that we did just after the coffee stop... oof! It's like some of the climbs in the Chilterns, but instead of maybe 200m, it goes on for almost a mile
Thanks. Rocacorba was fun. I managed to transition from the slow group to the fast group (not necessarily intentionally) and kind of paid for it with my biggest ride ever, relative effort of 476. Was fun getting casually passed by pros out training. (Stevie Williams from Bahrain Victorious for example)
That effort made Mare de Déu del Mont pretty horrible the next day... 11+ miles and 3,000+ ft, ramp - flat - ramp - flat - ramp... then around 8% or so for the last mile and a bit. Amazing views though...
The last day was fun, 7 or 8 of us out, racing, attacking, joking about... on a much flatter and shorter route.
Slightly related question. I feel like I need to get some stickers for my bike box, showing where I've been. Any suggestions for where to get decent stickers? Also, do you do this? Do you do locations or climbs?
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Didn't know about that ... lovely peaceful area though. Some great 'wilderness' riding to be had west of Llanwrst as well, realised how much stuff I missed on the road bikeIt might look beautiful but it's history is quite a bit darker - Welsh water being taken for English Industry without consent...
Cofiwch Dryweryn!
Fantastic picture though and the Diverge is looking great!
Bit of an update on the claim made through British Cycling after my bike was written off.
Ive just received the money in my account, and whilst it took a while to sort out, it was all pretty smooth in the end. I keep all the receipts for all bits damaged which made things less tricky to argue over.
In the end they paid up for everything I claimed for. The full price of the damaged bike (as new with no upgrades), and then full price for all the damaged bits (carbon seat post, ultegra crank, c bear BB. They even paid up fully for my new shoes that were damaged and the taxi home. I had spent a fair chunk of cash upgrading it in the 9 months or so I had the bike, and all the bits have been sold on eBay. Some things like the nearly new DT Swiss PR1400 wheels made half what I paid, other bits I didn't do too bad on.
After all the eBay fees have been paid I'm £12 up. So it's like I sold my 10 month old bike and all the upgrades at full RRP. Not a bad result given that fact that after the accident I thought I was looking down the barrel of a £3,000 loss through no fault of my own.
Was well impressed with how easy the British Cycling club was to deal with. So much so I'm now a paid up member myself
Ive just received the money in my account, and whilst it took a while to sort out, it was all pretty smooth in the end. I keep all the receipts for all bits damaged which made things less tricky to argue over.
In the end they paid up for everything I claimed for. The full price of the damaged bike (as new with no upgrades), and then full price for all the damaged bits (carbon seat post, ultegra crank, c bear BB. They even paid up fully for my new shoes that were damaged and the taxi home. I had spent a fair chunk of cash upgrading it in the 9 months or so I had the bike, and all the bits have been sold on eBay. Some things like the nearly new DT Swiss PR1400 wheels made half what I paid
, other bits I didn't do too bad on.After all the eBay fees have been paid I'm £12 up. So it's like I sold my 10 month old bike and all the upgrades at full RRP. Not a bad result given that fact that after the accident I thought I was looking down the barrel of a £3,000 loss through no fault of my own.
Was well impressed with how easy the British Cycling club was to deal with. So much so I'm now a paid up member myself
Yeah you did well up Rocacorba - especially to get recruited into the fast group and then able to hang with them for the rest of the ride!Thanks. Rocacorba was fun. I managed to transition from the slow group to the fast group (not necessarily intentionally) and kind of paid for it with my biggest ride ever, relative effort of 476. Was fun getting casually passed by pros out training. (Stevie Williams from Bahrain Victorious for example)
That effort made Mare de Déu del Mont pretty horrible the next day... 11+ miles and 3,000+ ft, ramp - flat - ramp - flat - ramp... then around 8% or so for the last mile and a bit. Amazing views though...
The last day was fun, 7 or 8 of us out, racing, attacking, joking about... on a much flatter and shorter route.
Slightly related question. I feel like I need to get some stickers for my bike box, showing where I've been. Any suggestions for where to get decent stickers? Also, do you do this? Do you do locations or climbs?
Unsure about stickers, I guess any of the usual boring ones used for suitcases but they're not very cycling specific. I've seen riders with plenty of sewn on patches with climb/location names and would imagine places selling them also did 'bumper sticker' type things you could use for your bike box. Problem might be keeping them stick on a non-flat surface but you could also use a stronger glue with them.
Which jersey is that one above? Looks Rapha-ish but unusual for them to have 5 colours, they normally do a 3 colour bar. Liking the grey & orange combo - I don't own enough orange kit!
Yeah fantastic riding around there and other parts of scattered mid-wales. I'm originally from more south but got quite an affinity to Powys and the local history of the areas, ingrained from my mother (and ignored through my childhood!).Didn't know about that ... lovely peaceful area though. Some great 'wilderness' riding to be had west of Llanwrst as well, realised how much stuff I missed on the road bike
That is a fantastic outcome after all the stress you had with it happened! A great result considering you'd replaced the bike so really had little use for most of the other components. Well done & good on getting BC membership (and the guy who hit you for helping sort things?!)Bit of an update on the claim made through British Cycling after my bike was written off.
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Was well impressed with how easy the British Cycling club was to deal with. So much so I'm now a paid up member myself
It's Stolen Goat. I actually really like the cut and feel of their gear. It can be a little garish for some (like the waffle top I also have) but their sleeves don't have that tight rubber band, the pockets are low enough to not be uncomfortable and their customer service has been amazing when I had a problem (caused and admitted to them to be by me)Which jersey is that one above? Looks Rapha-ish but unusual for them to have 5 colours, they normally do a 3 colour bar. Liking the grey & orange combo - I don't own enough orange kit!
Ok thanks! Will take a look. Have seen their stuff before but went the Rapha route for most my jerseys. Liking them less and less now, think I've put on a bit of weight so the thicker M ones starting to ride up a little unless I'm carrying more in my pockets, the thinner summer ones are still a good aero fit and don't seem to do the same. L is just too big on me. As are M sized 'classic' jerseys. Have gone back a little to some of the Castelli I have and they do fit me a bit better, they don't go as baggy as Rapha if going L and the M seem to fit a little longer in the torso too.
In other news, nearly there with my di2 build(s)... Just 1 more junction left to get as I messed up my calculations/setup. Have a combination of new & S/H shifters I picked up before lockdown crazy pricing, derailleurs I picked up before & during. Have 2 sets of each. Wires, battery, junctions and charger I've picked up mostly new the last month (just a few S/H wires). Excluding the charger, current cost looking like £695 for my 'outside' build (8050 and bar end) and £571 for indoor (6870 RD & under bar junction). Not bad for hydraulic disc brake di2 setups!
Now just need to get the new chainrings I promised myself, going back to a standard plus a 34t rear cassette as that's why I went 8050 on the outside setup (current sub & 32t). But will get the indoor setup sorted first - as need to transfer the 105 (5800) that's on there over to the other halfs ride. Her 8 speed Tiagra is very battered... Need to somehow identify what her threaded cartridge BB is as that will need changing to fit some cranks... Then see if I can get the 8 year old thing out! It's never ending lol
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Can I ask how long the whole process took? I had an accident back in April, and it is still going through solicitors, I had decided against British cycling and went with Bond Turner. Initially, they were going to pay out straight away, but after the valuation came back (6.5K for bike and damaged clothing) they decided to wait for the insurers to pay out.,Bit of an update on the claim made through British Cycling after my bike was written off.
Ive just received the money in my account, and whilst it took a while to sort out, it was all pretty smooth in the end. I keep all the receipts for all bits damaged which made things less tricky to argue over.
In the end they paid up for everything I claimed for. The full price of the damaged bike (as new with no upgrades), and then full price for all the damaged bits (carbon seat post, ultegra crank, c bear BB. They even paid up fully for my new shoes that were damaged and the taxi home. I had spent a fair chunk of cash upgrading it in the 9 months or so I had the bike, and all the bits have been sold on eBay. Some things like the nearly new DT Swiss PR1400 wheels made half what I paid
After all the eBay fees have been paid I'm £12 up. So it's like I sold my 10 month old bike and all the upgrades at full RRP. Not a bad result given that fact that after the accident I thought I was looking down the barrel of a £3,000 loss through no fault of my own.
Was well impressed with how easy the British Cycling club was to deal with. So much so I'm now a paid up member myself
The crash happened on the 7th of August, it was reported the next day. Money hit my account on 21st September.
Ha ha, sorry. I've gone a bit mad this year as I thought I would be jobless with a big pot of redundancy money. Instead, I kept my job... and got a pay rise... so I kept what I already had booked They're trying to rustle up some folk for Mallorca at the end of October, but so far I'm resisting.
They're trying to rustle up some folk for Mallorca at the end of October, but so far I'm resisting.