road rule changes 2022

[jpaul]

Class 3 invalid carriage - Powered wheelchairs and other outdoor powered vehicles, including scooters
Means a mechanically propelled invalid carriage which is so constructed or adapted as to be capable of exceeding a speed of 4 mph (6 km/h) but incapable of exceeding a speed of 8 mph on the level under its own power.
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If you are riding a Class 3 vehicle, you must ensure that you switch to the 4mph (6 km/h) on pavements or in pedestrian areas.

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Another scenario on a junction I use regularly
traffic light T junctions, 2 way, with pelican crossing immediately turning off main road, that is optionally also part of light sequence - ignoring common sense,
can pedestrians ignore the red man, and cross in front of cars turning off main road.

 

[labbby]

this old dear must have had nitro in hers as it was lightning didn't have plates so it couldn't of been that quick so just in the moment i guess.


I do find the whole rule change thing madness, the rules before weren't a problem it was just a certain few didn't follow them. As a cyclist there is no way I will assume a car or HGV will give me right of way.

what makes it worse and not exactly related, i did a lot of cycling over the bank holiday weekend, going through highstreets the amount of people that step into a road without looking because they cant hear an engine is crazy. It will be interesting once we are all on electric vehicles.

the old pedestrian looking at mobile phone fatalities will be huge.

I'm not joking, why would you step into a road without looking but carry on using your phone to text or whatever.

 

[Richie]

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Another scenario on a junction I use regularly
traffic light T junctions, 2 way, with pelican crossing immediately turning off main road, that is optionally also part of light sequence - ignoring common sense,
can pedestrians ignore the red man, and cross in front of cars turning off main road.

No, it only relates to uncontrolled junctions. If the junction is controlled then they need to use the crossing as normal i.e cross on the green man

 

[theone8181]

I thought those scooters could go 12mph without plates. Doesn't sound much, but if it's anything like the hoverboard/go kart combo my neighbours kids have the acceleration would put sprinters to shame.

 

[Rroff]

what makes it worse and not exactly related, i did a lot of cycling over the bank holiday weekend, going through highstreets the amount of people that step into a road without looking because they cant hear an engine is crazy. It will be interesting once we are all on electric vehicles.

the old pedestrian looking at mobile phone fatalities will be huge.

I'm not joking, why would you step into a road without looking but carry on using your phone to text or whatever.

It seems to get worse year on year - one that scares me is the increase in parents not paying attention to what their kids are doing near a busy road - seen a couple of people practically bury their bonnet in the ground emergency braking to avoid young kids wandering off the pavement while the parents aren't giving them much thought, especially outside a fish and chip shop on my way to work.

 

[Resident]

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Another scenario on a junction I use regularly
traffic light T junctions, 2 way, with pelican crossing immediately turning off main road, that is optionally also part of light sequence - ignoring common sense,
can pedestrians ignore the red man, and cross in front of cars turning off main road.

My Dad had a Class3 scooter, DVLA registered, that was capable of 12mph. It had a 3-way rocker to introduce a limiter at 4, 8 or max.

It seems to get worse year on year - one that scares me is the increase in parents not paying attention to what their kids are doing near a busy road - seen a couple of people practically bury their bonnet in the ground emergency braking to avoid young kids wandering off the pavement while the parents aren't giving them much thought, especially outside a fish and chip shop on my way to work.

Imagine what it's like for large vehicles. Since these new rules kicked in it seems pedestrians think they have priority at all time and just wander out in front of my 11+ ton bus.

 

[Nasher]

Maybe it's just to control the population numbers a bit. Using natural selection.

I'll just step out and this truck going 50mph will stop for me. Nope.

 

[Greebo]

I had a really interesting one bank holiday weekend while i was out cycling. It probably didn't have anything to do with the rule changes but it got me thinking. So here goes.


I approached a roundabout, that is on a high street road and took the first exit turning left, out of no where an elderly person came flying off the pavement from my left on a mobility scooter. I had already made the turn before she buzzed across the front of me so i slammed on my brakes which caused the car behind me to do the same.

I very much doubt this person had read the new rules and was just out testing them to see if they worked but it did get me thinking, was i in the wrong for not being aware a pedestrian on a mobility might or might not have the right of way.

On a side note they are pretty quick those things

yes I think you were in the wrong. Certainly would have been if i was a pedestrian. No idea where mobility scooters fit into the priority list.

 

[jpaul]

Private e-scooters could become legal on UK roads, Grant Shapps says

Transport Secretary announces plans for new regulations on e-mobility devices

www.nationalworld.com

motorists and pedestarians alike won't know what's hit them, or the reverse, if Shapps is now really going to gree light electric scooter -
interview on r4today with bristol stake holders who said details of regulation/control of their speed, and helmet use still work in progress,
as a pedestrian some kind of body armor sounds useful, as a cyclist invulnerable teenagers to circumnavigate another obstacle.

(...but xenforos/he's got problems - mechansim to post links, italicize quotes ..... )

 

[Trifid]

Private e-scooters could become legal on UK roads, Grant Shapps says

Transport Secretary announces plans for new regulations on e-mobility devices

www.nationalworld.com

motorists and pedestarians alike won't know what's hit them, or the reverse, if Shapps is now really going to gree light electric scooter -
interview on r4today with bristol stake holders who said details of regulation/control of their speed, and helmet use still work in progress,
as a pedestrian some kind of body armor sounds useful, as a cyclist invulnerable teenagers to circumnavigate another obstacle.

(...but xenforos/he's got problems - mechansim to post links, italicize quotes ..... )

I'm hoping their popularity soars once legal for replacing short car journeys and our local town and city road network is modified to meet the demands of it. The use of escooters plus inter-town/city trains and bus services will also greatly aid in reducing congestion on the roads.

 

[Entai]

Private e-scooters could become legal on UK roads, Grant Shapps says

Transport Secretary announces plans for new regulations on e-mobility devices

www.nationalworld.com

motorists and pedestarians alike won't know what's hit them, or the reverse, if Shapps is now really going to gree light electric scooter -
interview on r4today with bristol stake holders who said details of regulation/control of their speed, and helmet use still work in progress,
as a pedestrian some kind of body armor sounds useful, as a cyclist invulnerable teenagers to circumnavigate another obstacle.

(...but xenforos/he's got problems - mechansim to post links, italicize quotes ..... )

Hope the regulations include mandatory taxation and insurance, mamdatory helmets and male it illegal to ride them on pavements and in pedestrianised areas.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Meanwhile in Europe, their widespread use continues to grow and take cars off city streets and is generally fine.

They are generally no more problematic than any other inconsiderate user of roads and pavements. They come in all forms at the end of the day from runners, dog walkers to old biddies on mobility scooters. Then being on a scooter makes zero difference.

 

[jpaul]

Meanwhile in Europe, their widespread use continues to grow and take cars off city streets and is generally fine.

where in europe ? is Paris a poster-boy ? the netherlands

need more objective accident stats which seems to be why trials were extended
The BBC reported that 90 e-scooter riders were admitted to A&E between May and June last year, at an estimated cost of £1,000 per patient on average.
they blocked scooter use during xmas in bristol - lol.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

There legal in most of Europe, I’m not sure what your point is.

I could also pull up some stats about all of the harm caused by cars, no one is talking about banning those. Part of the problem is that they are banned and not that common on the streets and driving culture in this country doesn’t care for other road users and the standard of road training is very poor for all modes of transport.

The other part is typical anti social behaviour by a small minority of idiots, it doesn’t matter if they are on foot, on a bike, in a car or on a scooter. Idiots are going to idiot, that doesn’t mean the rest of us should suffer. Idiots should be dealt with accordingly.

 

[jpaul]

Legal, but with controls, like paris on speed ?

American experience comparing e-scooter accidents to those of cyclists seems most weighty

Broadly speaking, the researchers found that e-scooter riders suffered injuries more frequently per mile traveled than bicyclists, but bicyclists were 3 times as likely as scooter riders to be hit by motor vehicles. In contrast, e-scooter riders were twice as likely as bicyclists to get injured because of a pothole or crack in the pavement or other infrastructure like a signpost or curb
... E-scooters and bicycles are both popular forms of micromobility, but the characteristics of riders injured on them, the ways in which they become injured, and the types of injuries they sustain differ substantially. E-scooter rider injury rates, though currently high, may decrease as they gain experience; however, if the number of new users continues to climb, they will persist in using the ED more often than cyclists per mile that they travel

for sure than recently published uk rospa sudy
E-scooters are safer than many other travel modes, with significantly lower casualty rates (0.66 collisions per million miles travelled) compared to bicycles which were 5 times more likely to be involved in a collision (3.33 per million miles) and motorbikes which were 9 times more likely to be involved in a collision (5.88 per million miles).

(I think the uk study with trials has limited data , and as they show, injuries outside trials are much greater ... do we want the burden on the nhs.
hmmh - I wonder if accidents in hire cars are lower than private cars)

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Yes, European restrictions on speed and power are entirely sensible and is exactly how we should be approaching the sector.

I think 300-400w, 15mph and acceleration capped at the equivalent of an average adult on the flat with 250w available is very sensible. I only suggest the extra power is there to deal with inclines and larger people to keep them moving at a sensible speed.

The USA approach of ebikes and scooters that do silly speeds is not sensible and very few actually advocate for that.