Robert Jordan’s fantasy epic The Wheel of Time coming to TV
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Oh my god, 90 million for this first season.
I have no faith for lord of the rings if this is the trash they are producing.
I have no faith for lord of the rings if this is the trash they are producing.
I'd be very very worried about the lotr series if I were you, they are already making the same mistakes as wot (casting and writers).
Wot should have been a home run, all they had to do was respect the established lore, trim some of the braid tugging and crappier storylines and boom, instant hit.
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Yup. I may watch the rest of the series when bored and if it doesn't get cancelled. Otherwise just not fussed. All the changes seem near pointless to me, a show runner just flexing.
I very much disliked the first couple of episodes, looked cheap with poor acting. I'm loving it now, still looks cheap and the acting is still poor 
I read the first four or five books, many, many moons ago and didn't think much of them and, tbh, can't remember an awful lot about them. Maybe that's helping?
I read the first four or five books, many, many moons ago and didn't think much of them and, tbh, can't remember an awful lot about them. Maybe that's helping?
I'm not THAT fussed about departures from the source material personally, mostly because I read the first book 20 years ago and can scarcely remember it. It's just poorly acted and my favourite parts of the books which I do remember (eg the steddings) seem to have disappeared at least for now. The chest beating at the end of the last episode was actually one of the funniest things I've ever seen on TV.
That said, I thought that Shadar Logoth was well done and it's still got potential. I'll watch the season before judging too firmly either way.
That said, I thought that Shadar Logoth was well done and it's still got potential. I'll watch the season before judging too firmly either way.
It's weird how they keep putting in little nods to book readers but at the same time make changes that are totally pointless,
My biggest problems with it though aren't really departures from the source material (except where it seems to make no sense at all), but the often clunky dialog, pacing and overall feel that it's a bit cheap.
I'm giving them a bit of slack because the first season suffered a lot of disruptions due to covid and then later the actor for Mat leaving the show before they filmed the last couple of episodes. I will keep watching until at least the end of season 2, it's far from a lost cause but needs rapid improvement from here.
Didn't you say you weren't watching anymore after the first 2 episodes?
The ways opening. The random unexplained 'travelling' which is hopefully not travelling as it breaks the plot in so many ways.
My biggest problems with it though aren't really departures from the source material (except where it seems to make no sense at all), but the often clunky dialog, pacing and overall feel that it's a bit cheap.
I'm giving them a bit of slack because the first season suffered a lot of disruptions due to covid and then later the actor for Mat leaving the show before they filmed the last couple of episodes. I will keep watching until at least the end of season 2, it's far from a lost cause but needs rapid improvement from here.
Didn't you say you weren't watching anymore after the first 2 episodes?
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Just watched episode 5 which seemd to be 40% book stuff and 60% new made up crap. The warders in my head were tough, stoic and the finest warriors in the West. Now it seems they are a bit new age and blub about as much as your average Royal grandson.
Loial, what a disappointment, I was hoping for an inhuman character that towered over even the tallest.
I can't believe Matt and Rand's journey has been so underplayed but we get the Warder nonsense. Apparently the Whitecloaks can roam freely within sight of the White Tower snatching people from the road.
I'm hanging on with this but the good stuff is being swamped by the unnecessary. Whereas in the Expanse I thought they carefully pruned characters and scenes to fit the limitations of TV here I feel they are pruning and changing because it suits them not because of limitations in season length and budget.
The first book is a journey figurative and literal and the journey is being lost.
Loial, what a disappointment, I was hoping for an inhuman character that towered over even the tallest.
I can't believe Matt and Rand's journey has been so underplayed but we get the Warder nonsense. Apparently the Whitecloaks can roam freely within sight of the White Tower snatching people from the road.
I'm hanging on with this but the good stuff is being swamped by the unnecessary. Whereas in the Expanse I thought they carefully pruned characters and scenes to fit the limitations of TV here I feel they are pruning and changing because it suits them not because of limitations in season length and budget.
The first book is a journey figurative and literal and the journey is being lost.
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The more I think about it the more I think the Aes Sedai are the problem in this series. They've rushed to include them too deeply. From memory the first book Moiraine is the only Aes Sedai we see and she very easily manipulates the gang to her bidding. The soft power of the Aes Sedai is demonstrated by how clearly she dominates them without the One Power.
When we see the Aes Sedai in the series they are weak. Logain should never have been showed we should have heard how a large army captured him and how the Aes Sedai arranged for the army. They make suggestions to monarchs and monarchs obey. The army thoughCamelyn Tar Valon should have been impressive a clear demonstration of the might of the White Tower. Instead the Aes Sedai look weak even a small band of Vagabonds can nearly trip them up. Don't show us things if you can't do it properly. Jordan talks about far away battles and rarely shows them. The business about holding a user with the One Power they got that wrong how when later on they have the most powerful users available do they hold them given what was said. The book made a better explanation, there was no need to deviate. I can understand they dont want too many characters so tell us about it don't show it badly.
They should have waited till series 2 like the books and introduced teh Aes Sedai as magnificiant and powerful and infallible and let the plot develop. They are bringing stuff forward unnecessarily.
I don't think the series is hopeless far from it but some of the decisions they are making undermine the future plot and for what benefit?
When we see the Aes Sedai in the series they are weak. Logain should never have been showed we should have heard how a large army captured him and how the Aes Sedai arranged for the army. They make suggestions to monarchs and monarchs obey. The army though
They should have waited till series 2 like the books and introduced teh Aes Sedai as magnificiant and powerful and infallible and let the plot develop. They are bringing stuff forward unnecessarily.
I don't think the series is hopeless far from it but some of the decisions they are making undermine the future plot and for what benefit?
I think they made the right call with Loial TBH. To make him 3ft taller, they would have needed to ditch the prosthetics and use VFX instead, which is expensive. In turn, that would severely limit Loial's screen time, as the show's budget is far from unlimited.
But the show as a whole... meh. Not at all what I was expecting. They've basically kept character names and a few major plot points, and then rewritten everything else. This isn't an adaptation. It's fan fiction.
But the show as a whole... meh. Not at all what I was expecting. They've basically kept character names and a few major plot points, and then rewritten everything else. This isn't an adaptation. It's fan fiction.
Only the last 2 episodes of series one were hit by covid.
Yep, haven't watched a single second since, well apart from the odd gif. I'm more interested in the reactions here, another forum I frequent and /rwhitecloaks. Don't think I've commentated on specific "plot" points of the TV show, more general discrepancies between this and the books, or to lay a very quick 8 episode arc in post 237 that would have followed the 1st book rather than what folks have been given.Didn't you say you weren't watching anymore after the first 2 episodes?
This isn't true I believe. I read they had to shut down filming twice, once in March and then again in the autumn/winter.
See: https://winteriscoming.net/2020/11/...-time-shut-down-covid-coronavirus-again-2021/
Edit: Oh god I had a look at that subreddit, it explains a lot
From ya linked source
The whitecloacks one? Yeah it's a bit childish, cancels out the TV show subrwddit tho where you get banned for any negative comment.Edit: Oh god I had a look at that subreddit, it explains a lot
Tbh I only jump on there to read the latest episode follow on.
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It’s right there in the title, ‘filming on the wheel of time shuts down, again’!
One shut down in March, and another later on.
yes, but 6 episodes had been completed before the 1st shutdown...
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Episode 6 felt like it had the least book plot yet. Replacing Camelyn with Tar Valon just to squeeze the Aes Sedai in to book 1 than book 2 feels like a mistake that is undermining the Aes Sedai. This needs better scriptwriters it lacks the subtley to portray the Aes Sedai infighting well. It remains ok with odd choices. I'd much rather have seen a Fellowship of the Ring journey type series for this book than what we're getting. They're so desperate to deploy the Aes Sedai as their big IP that the main protagonists the Two Rivers 5 are largely an afterthought in their own story. I get that Rosamund Pike is the headline act but that needn't be diminished following the book plot.