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Ronaldo - Tested to the Limit (SS1 8/9 8PM)
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Ronaldo and Messi are two excellent but very different players. There's no point having a massive argument about it (again 
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Stick Ronaldo into Barca and he wouldn't make the bench because he's work-rate-a-phobic which Pep dislikes, immensely.
Of all the things you can criticise Ronaldo for, it is not his work rate. It may not be up there with some of the Barca players, but that just goes to show how good their work ethic is.
To say Ronaldo is work-rate-a-phobic, is ridiculous. Greedy, selfish, arrogant, bad attitude, moody, I'd agree with - but I can't see how you can say he doesn't have a good work rate. The closest thing I think you could say is that he can fade out of games if he thinks things aren't going his way (ie being kicked, or not getting free kicks), but that's more his bad attitude imo.
The only time he actually moves is to make space for himself.
When was the last time you saw him make a run to create space for someone else?..
Never.
When was the last time you saw him burst a lung to get back and defend?
.. never
The whole reason he goes anon when things don't go his way (usually vs Barca) is because in these games his team's basically playing with 10 men, his attitude is a liability to the team and they would be better off keeping him out of the match.
A lot of Madrid fans feel they would be better off without him and others of the same attitude.
They feel they still have enough to smash the 'lesser teams' without the likes of Di Maria, Ronaldo et al, yet these players pretty much guarantee that they will never beat Barca (which lets face it, decide the title these days) without resorting to Maureen's underhand tactics of kicking the living crap out of Barca and hoping not to get a red.
When was the last time you saw him make a run to create space for someone else?..
Never.
When was the last time you saw him burst a lung to get back and defend?
.. never
The whole reason he goes anon when things don't go his way (usually vs Barca) is because in these games his team's basically playing with 10 men, his attitude is a liability to the team and they would be better off keeping him out of the match.
A lot of Madrid fans feel they would be better off without him and others of the same attitude.
They feel they still have enough to smash the 'lesser teams' without the likes of Di Maria, Ronaldo et al, yet these players pretty much guarantee that they will never beat Barca (which lets face it, decide the title these days) without resorting to Maureen's underhand tactics of kicking the living crap out of Barca and hoping not to get a red.
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That's aalways been my concern with messi- he was so small they plied him with steroids as a youngster. is messi's size/strength natural or is he a chemical induced masterpiece?
He should have been 4ft odd not 5ft. its impossible to say what impact his low center of gravity and artificially high muscle mass may have done for him, well we can see that by the way he slaloms 4 tackles in a row able to turn on a six pence and make everyone else look like an oil tanker in comparison.
http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/wo...-messis-game-grow--fbintl_ro-messi061010.html
I said Barca, who said Real's bench? In this sense all i said was pep wouldn't tolerate lazy players, so he wouldn't make the team. Guess what happened to Ibra?
Whats so hard to comprehend what i (and some RM fans i know) have been saying?
The team which wins El Classico, wins the league.
Ronaldo is a liability in these games, you won't win by carrying selfish players.
And as for his goal scoring record, Madrid would still win every other game without him, sure some are now 2-0 or 3-1 instead of 5-0 but it means nothing if you don't win the league because Barca give you a footballing lesson every year.
I never said he's over-rated at all, your putting words into my mouth because I'm a Pool fan
RM are better off without him vs Barca, but Ronaldo's attitude wouldn't take kindly to being dropped, so RM won't win the league.
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Tell a lie, you might win by carrying selfish players. But it will rely on Pepe's ability to cripple Messi without getting a red card for a change.
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what have you been smoking?
you clearly dont know anything about steroids.
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/08/10/0810-lionel-messi-ramey-credit.jpg
is that what you call high muscle mass?
HGH is naturally found in humans unlike the chemicals which make up steroids.
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Isn't this an oxymoron? How can he make a run to give someone else space, without trying to create space for himself at the same time?
If your run is so bad that you're not trying to make space for yourself, then the defender doesn't need to worry about marking you and just picks up the other player.
To give the other player space you have to make the defence think that you're also a threat, by trying to get in space yourself.
Unless you're accusing him of always running into the wrong spaces, which I also disagree with.
He's a forward, or at least a very attacking midfielder. There's plenty of similar players who don't make 50 yard sprints back up the pitch. And many managers who wouldn't want that sort of player to be chasing back that far either. He does his work in the right places and imo it's his work-rate that means he's so effective in the final third. Yes he's got many faults, but his work-rate isn't one of them.
He plods around like an old retired show pony, he springs to life when he suspects there's a moment when a team mate may be able to feed a good ball to him, moment passes .. he goes back to being a plodder.
Thats what i mean.
Your right, he does his job in the right areas, but Messi matches him in pretty much every area and puts in a massive shift for his team, so what does that make him?
If Ronny's world class, is Messi Universe class or something?
Whats so hard to comprehend what i (and some RM fans i know) have been saying?
The team which wins El Classico, wins the league.
Ronaldo is a liability in these games, you won't win by carrying selfish players.
And as for his goal scoring record, Madrid would still win every other game without him, sure some are now 2-0 or 3-1 instead of 5-0 but it means nothing if you don't win the league because Barca give you a footballing lesson every year.
I never said he's over-rated at all, your putting words into my mouth because I'm a Pool fan
RM are better off without him vs Barca, but Ronaldo's attitude wouldn't take kindly to being dropped, so RM won't win the league.
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Tell a lie, you might win by carrying selfish players. But it will rely on Pepe's ability to cripple Messi without getting a red card for a change.
So you think that the secret to Real Madrid winning the league is simply to drop Ronaldo for the Barcelona games? And that RM would then win, because the rest of their players are good enough to beat Barca and it's just Ronaldo's selfishness that is holding them back?
Seriously?
Barca are a great, great team. Many other big teams have tried and failed to beat them recently. To lay the blame at Ronaldo's feet, just goes to show how biased your thoughts of Ronaldo are.
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But it wasn't naturally found in messi in the right quantities though was it? I think its fair today that without this kind of treatment that messi would not be the player he is today.
You should know that HGH has multiple benefits that a football player - especially one so short would want. to feign ignorance of this really weakens any further argument you might have.
He plods around like an old retired show pony, he springs to life when he suspects there's a moment when a team mate may be able to feed a good ball to him, moment passes .. he goes back to being a plodder.
Thats what i mean.
Your right, he does his job in the right areas, but Messi matches him in pretty much every area and puts in a massive shift for his team, so what does that make him?
If Ronny's world class, is Messi Universe class or something?
Are you basing this soley on the El Clasico games? Most forwards would get disheartened at watching Barca's midfield keep hold of the ball and pass it around for such large portions of the game.
Just because Messi is exceptional, doesn't mean that another player doesn't have his merits.
I believe i implied that there's others in the Madrid team just as bad. But since this is a thread about Ronaldo i never felt the need to go into much detail about those.
Im not saying he's not a great player. All I'm saying is he has a few massive flaws which prevent him being an all time great, thats all.
Im not saying he's not a great player. All I'm saying is he has a few massive flaws which prevent him being an all time great, thats all.
Ronaldo - hit in the face with a ball
See it through night vision cameras
I'd quite like to see that
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I go back to what I said in the Banter thread, Ronaldo has been one of the two best players in the world now for 6 years and he's not an all time great? He only had 3 truly fantastic seasons at United but he's a United all time great for his 6 years at the club.
There's no doubt whatsoever that Ronnie is one of the best players in the world ever.
Oh and I cant believe you genuinely think Real should leave out their best player for their biggest games of the season, Real dont lose the Classico's because of Ronnie's supposed lack of work rate they lose because like 100% of other teams they can never get the ball off of Barca (hence why it appears he goes missing). You can have workaholics against them and 9 times out of 10 they still dont make a positive impact on the game (see Park, Valencia and co at Wembley)
Really?For someone who failed to turn up in the big games he had a bloody good scoring record against your lot, like most things City though if it didn't happen in the last 2 years then it didn't happen
I have just looked back about 6 years and saw only one game i saw Ronaldo had scored.
Twice he has been sent off from what i saw also.
You might be right however before i moved i went to every derby match and can only ever remember him getting sent off in the game ended 1-0 Rooney scored and 3-1? at CoMS when he got straight red for tackling Dabo i think.
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