Roundabout - who at fault (theoretical)
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If he had hit you never say ''but he was speeding''. That makes you look like a clown for pulling out if you knew he was going fast...lol
Totally irrelevant, you still pulled into his path.
Imagine an old dear bumbling down a slip road onto a motorway at 30mph. She then merges into the inside lane at this speed without looking and promptly gets hit up the backside by someone doing 70mph who had no time to react.
She may have managed to get out into the inside lane before being hit but that doesn't absolve her of blame and, despite the "you hit someone up the backside and it's your fault" rubbish that seems to persist online, no court in the land would rule in her favour.
Whether this was you or someone you know, "you're" at fault, just deal with it. Try putting yourself in the other guy's shoes - he might have been speeding but some idiot still pulled out in front of him, caused an accident and is now trying to claim it wasn't his fault. You'd be pretty livid, as would I tbh.
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If that was the case, my car would get hit in the front 1/3, not the back 1/3
Not really... doesnt matter where you are hit... you have still pulled out in front of another driver.
Sorry, but i see it as quite simple. It was mis judged, you went and got hit... nothing to do with the other drivers speed or anything. Nothing to do wih where you got hit
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[TW]Fox;12312383 said:
Sounds it...!
[TW]Fox;12312383 said:
It's ok, it was only a theoretical crash.
However, I have noticed an odd quantum effect; discussing theoretical crashes on internet forums can cause the collapse of the probability wave function, which causes the crash to actualy take place before the thread was started.
As the person who is usually the one zooming up the roundabout, the people who misjudge my speed annoy the **** out of me. In general I'm not speeding as such (it's all but impossible to take most roundabout at much more than the local limit), but I'm doing it faster than most people do it, and the number of people who think it's safe to pull out in front of me when it really isn't is astonishing - it probably happens at one roundabout in three.
I have a theory, which goes like this: most drivers don't actually estimate the speed of the oncoming driver, but instead judge the distance, and assume that the oncoming driver will take the roundabout at the speed that the judging driver would, if it was them (if you see what I mean). Thus Mr Slow, seeing an oncoming car, assumes that it will take the roundabout at 15mph, because that's how they in person drive. Except I don't: I've got AWD and I intend to use it, and that roundabout is going down at 30mph - even is a little drifting might happen.
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I have a theory, which goes like this: most drivers don't actually estimate the speed of the oncoming driver, but instead judge the distance, and assume that the oncoming driver will take the roundabout at the speed that the judging driver would, if it was them (if you see what I mean). Thus Mr Slow, seeing an oncoming car, assumes that it will take the roundabout at 15mph, because that's how they in person drive. Except I don't: I've got AWD and I intend to use it, and that roundabout is going down at 30mph - even is a little drifting might happen.
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As you enter a roundabout you pass a give way marking. A driver has to give way to anything on the roundabout. If you tank up to a roundabout and hit something already on the rbt it is you fault. You should not pass the line unless you can see it is safe to do so and should be going at a speed which you can stop safely at the line.
It doesn't say give way to the left in the highway code, only, "watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout". Make of that what you will. It all seems arguable in court to me.
This. Annoys the hell out of me too, and I'm not even making use of AWD, just going round a roundabout faster than people expect. How long does someone have to look at a moving object to be able to estimate it's speed? I suppose it's probably subconscious, yet it seems a lot of people who cut me up don't stop long enough to see... actually never mind, I have people do it who sit there for a good second or two and then do it!
Anyway yes, the person coming on to the roundabout fault I would have thought, to back up the million previous posts.
I would say it's the other persons fault...
If you are fully on the roundabout then anyone entering the roundabout should give way to you as vehicles on the roundabout have priority over those entering it... (unlike france where the vehicles on the roundabout have to give way to those entering it).
If you are fully on the roundabout then anyone entering the roundabout should give way to you as vehicles on the roundabout have priority over those entering it... (unlike france where the vehicles on the roundabout have to give way to those entering it).
insurance companies rely on case law for this sort of thing, as my wife found out to her expense!
she pulled out of a side road and was hit by a car travelling on the wrong side of the road (it was wide enough for both to pass) but she lost the claim as the other car was already established on the road regardless of which side.
the other car would already be established on the road regardless of speed (with in reason).
another example, my cousin lost his right leg below the knee, he was hit side on by a car doing 60 to 70 in a 40, but because he pulled out infront of the car it was classed as his fault even though there where skid marks to back up the speeding and the driver got away with it!
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To back the above poster up, my friend pulled out in front of a guy that was doing 50 in a 30 zone. Friend lost the insurance appeal and his insurance had to pay out for the damage to the other car BUT the other guy got done for dangerous driving.
i think the distinction in this case is that the speeding driver didn't cause the accident - it was a direct result of my friend pulling out in front of him. The police recognised the speeding driver caused a dangerous situation hence the DD prosecution but that in itself was the contributing factor to the accident..
i think the distinction in this case is that the speeding driver didn't cause the accident - it was a direct result of my friend pulling out in front of him. The police recognised the speeding driver caused a dangerous situation hence the DD prosecution but that in itself was the contributing factor to the accident..