Rule Britannia or not?

[[FnG]magnolia]

Not at all. Why am I in meltdown ??. Because I’m asking the questing needed. ?

You are all asking why people are pee’d off , I have explained. Pretty simple.

You: "Why is it acceptable in a white Country, to have an all black commercial. Purposely created with woke ideology in mind. It’s a bit like blm, white lives don’t matter. It’s utterly wrong. Got nothing to do with the R word."

Also you: "Why am I in meltdown ??. Because I’m asking the questing needed. ?"

Have some self-reflection, dude :/

e: oh, we're on to 'white country' now are we? Welp.

 

[Janesy B]

You can view it however you like. It’s a white Country that minorities have migrated to for a better life. You can’t then wish to change the origin of the Country to suit your needs. It is what it is. A white Country.

What about the ones that are here because we needed them, and then we treated them like absolute crap? If we're a white country why are we getting in boats trying to colonise half the world? You can't just pick and choose.

Go and point out all the white countries at the height of the commonwealth, many descendants who have every right to claim residence here.

 

[McstylisT]

You: "Why is it acceptable in a white Country, to have an all black commercial. Purposely created with woke ideology in mind. It’s a bit like blm, white lives don’t matter. It’s utterly wrong. Got nothing to do with the R word."

Also you: "Why am I in meltdown ??. Because I’m asking the questing needed. ?"

Have some self-reflection, dude :/

e: oh, we're on to 'white country' now are we? Welp.

Self reflection. #Cringe.
Wtf has that to do with the anti white/British message this delivers. Government has to do more to ban this type of biased.

If I purposed made an advert with just white people there would be outrage.

 

[Janesy B]

Having black people on an advert is anti white and the government should ban it, loooooooool.

Here's an advert with a pretty white girl for you, and no one said anything. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUFHDUTyugU

 

[McstylisT]

What about the ones that are here because we needed them, and then we treated them like absolute crap? If we're a white country why are we getting in boats trying to colonise half the world? You can't just pick and choose.

Go and point out all the white countries at the height of the commonwealth, many descendants who have every right to claim residence here.

I really don’t get the quick expansion you move to here.
I am referring to the advert you mentioned. Explaining why it’s causing mass outage. As it should.

 

[McstylisT]

Having black people on an advert is anti white and the government should ban it, loooooooool.

Well as I mentioned if the roles were reversed it probably would be. So why wouldn’t that point run evident both ways. Is this not equality, treated fairly. No you want it all and want people to be too scared to say anything to challenge you. It’s tat.

 

[Janesy B]

Well as I mentioned if the roles were reversed it probably would be. So why wouldn’t that point run evident both ways. Is this not equality, treated fairly. No you want it all and want people to be too scared to say anything to challenge you. It’s tat.

Having one advert with a black family out of millions without them doesn't mean suddenly there's no equality for white people.

 

[joey1211]

On McstylistT's profile page: "I really am not the full ticket. Interact at your own risk !!!"

If only I'd seen this earlier, would have saved me a lot of 'WTF!'s

 

[McstylisT]

Having one advert with a black family out of millions without them doesn't mean suddenly there's no equality for white people.

It does at this moment in time. It’s the flow of the moment. Just after BLM, just after all the commercial companies like premier league and racing, boxing all started promoting them. Either you are naive or you are just ignoring it.

If someone shows patriotism it’s viewed badly followed by the R word.

 

[McstylisT]

On McstylistT's profile page: "I really am not the full ticket. Interact at your own risk !!!"

If only I'd seen this earlier, would have saved me a lot of 'WTF!'s

I do come with a full health warning.

 

[Janesy B]

It does at this moment in time. It’s the flow of the moment. Just after BLM, just after all the commercial companies like premier league and racing, boxing all started promoting them. Either you are naive or you are just ignoring it.

If someone shows patriotism it’s viewed badly followed by the R word.

But people have been going on about tokenism and positive discrimination for years, it's not a new subject at all.

Calling Britain a white country is not patriotism and means that if you're not white it's not your country, doesn't it? And excluding people because of race or colour is called.... It's not hard to see why people make the association.

 

[GGizmo]

Before I start this post I am white and would label myself as being from the working class.

I was thinking why is it through-out history in white countries its always the upper class that go off track and end up getting killed, and destroying society in the process?

We're seeing it again in todays society. The upper class white people, who never associate with a person of another colour are calling for racial justice when its people like them who are causing it. I think this woke culture is a new way they have found to appear to link up with certain middle class people so they, the middle class, can do the arguing for them.

The average working class white person in this country as done nothing to black people. It is the white people in the upper/middle classes that demonstrate racism by, in most cases, actively deny opportunities for black people, other minority groups and also the white working class people to.

The anti-racist message is aimed at the wrong people, the people with no power to change things. Yet we get white upper/middle class idiots enjoying attacking people of their own race, when the chances are those middle class people are the ones that will feel more guilty than the people they are attacking... i.e. transference of self guilt.

In the 90s we were heading to a better place, especially were race was concerned. Then we hit the 2000's and its been down hill. I've thought a lot about this. One thing comes to mind. It is the restriction of creativity and new ideas, diversity of thought. This is not only why 'BAME' people struggle to get jobs, but also why new and creativity ideas are also being stifled. Compare the progress and new ideas between 1980 to 2000, then from 2000 to 2020. The last 20 years have hardly created anything new. They have just kept enhancing on the same idea. In todays society you cant even write in a racist (or any other offensive) charecter in a fictional tv programme or even a book. That's how restricted new ideas are.. along with companies just repeating the same idea over and over again (Fifa anyone?).

Sorry to ramble but most of the subjects when it comes to race and culture are symptoms of a bigger picture. Debating symptoms gets us no where if we want to actually fix the problems we're talking about.

 

[McstylisT]

But people have been going on about tokenism and positive discrimination for years, it's not a new subject at all.

Calling Britain a white country is not patriotism and means that if you're not white it's not your country, doesn't it? And excluding people because of race or colour is called.... It's not hard to see why people make the association.

Well I cant change your mind. I can only tell the truth.
How can describing the Country in facts be R.?
Maybe I’m R for highlighting it. It’s just facts.

Yet I’ve not singled out anyone in particular, I’ve not wished any harm or tried to belittle anyone by their face or colour. Which is the definition of it. Just another instance of misusing the word and misunderstanding it.

 

[chroniclard]

Before I start this post I am white and would label myself as being from the working class.

I was thinking why is it through-out history in white countries its always the upper class that go off track and end up getting killed, and destroying society in the process?

We're seeing it again in todays society. The upper class white people, who never associate with a person of another colour are calling for racial justice when its people like them who are causing it. I think this woke culture is a new way they have found to appear to link up with certain middle class people so they, the middle class, can do the arguing for them.

The average working class white person in this country as done nothing to black people. It is the white people in the upper/middle classes that demonstrate racism by, in most cases, actively deny opportunities for black people, other minority groups and also the white working class people to.

The anti-racist message is aimed at the wrong people, the people with no power to change things. Yet we get white upper/middle class idiots enjoying attacking people of their own race, when the chances are those middle class people are the ones that will feel more guilty than the people they are attacking... i.e. transference of self guilt.

In the 90s we were heading to a better place, especially were race was concerned. Then we hit the 2000's and its been down hill. I've thought a lot about this. One thing comes to mind. It is the restriction of creativity and new ideas, diversity of thought. This is not only why 'BAME' people struggle to get jobs, but also why new and creativity ideas are also being stifled. Compare the progress and new ideas between 1980 to 2000, then from 2000 to 2020. The last 20 years have hardly created anything new. They have just kept enhancing on the same idea. In todays society you cant even write in a racist (or any other offensive) charecter in a fictional tv programme or even a book. That's how restricted new ideas are.. along with companies just repeating the same idea over and over again (Fifa anyone?).

Sorry to ramble but most of the subjects when it comes to race and culture are symptoms of a bigger picture. Debating symptoms gets us no where if we want to actually fix the problems we're talking about.

This is just bizarre. Is there any evidence of all these upper class/middle class people causing racism?

 

[Janesy B]

Well I cant change your mind. I can only tell the truth.
How can describing the Country in facts be R.?
Maybe I’m R for highlighting it. It’s just facts.

Yet I’ve not singled out anyone in particular, I’ve not wished any harm or tried to belittle anyone by their face or colour. Which is the definition of it. Just another instance of misusing the word and misunderstanding it.

You've asserted this is a white country so only white people should be adverts, and anything else is just 'woke' pandering. Am I right to come to that conclusion from what you've said?

 

[Deleted member 68110]

it’s years and years of oppression. The birth of this left wing liberal ideology. People have just had enough.

It’s been one thing after another. BLM, misrepresentation, mix race relationships on every advert, apologising, kneeling, constant illegal and legal immigration, promoting minorities, demonising white people. The indigenous people have had enough to last a life time.

It’s the UK we are talking about. If people chose to come here for a better life then you should understand the values and respect them. If you don’t and you want to change our ways and histories maybe you are in the wrong society for your ideology.

We are basically in political ideological war.

More woolly populist thinking. Mix race adverts have oppressed you? That sounds like the sort of delicate victimhood people are trying to disparage when they use the term "millennial" pejoratively. How many times have you given an apology or been made to kneel? Illegal immigration has affected you? Really? Any more than in any other country? Any more than an MP helping a developer chum dodge putting £50m into the public purse? Where was your outrage then?

 

[GGizmo]

This is just bizarre. Is there any evidence of all these upper class/middle class people causing racism?

Yes look at how out of touch the BBC is. They are all upper/middle class luvvies, lecturing everyone else about racism.

The BBC caused the issue that this thread is about. Yet there seemingly is people not only defending them.. but attacking people just because they are asking why the songs can't be sung - even with no audience.

They were caught out attributing comments to Dalia Stasevska that weren't made.

Meanwhile another person 'the Beeb' is defending is Cat Lewis, producer of songs of praise who compares people who want to sing Rule Britainna to Nazi's singing about gas chambers. The BBC are so 'woke' they are off the scale.

Lets not forget BBC Studies is making billions of pounds off its commercial acquisitions yet are forcing pensioners to pay a tv licence. They are so out of touch.

 

[Demon]

Yes look at how out of touch the BBC is. They are all upper/middle class luvvies, lecturing everyone else about racism.

The BBC caused the issue that this thread is about. Yet there seemingly is people not only defending them.. but attacking people just because they are asking why the songs can't be sung - even with no audience.

They were caught out attributing comments to Dalia Stasevska that weren't made.

Meanwhile another person 'the Beeb' is defending is Cat Lewis, producer of songs of praise who compares people who want to sing Rule Britainna to Nazi's singing about gas chambers. The BBC are so 'woke' they are off the scale.

Lets not forget BBC Studies is making billions of pounds off its commercial acquisitions yet are forcing pensioners to pay a tv licence. They are so out of touch.

I generally haven't given the guy much attention but Sargon of Assad has an interesting one on Subversion that I don't fully subscribe to but is food for thought:

 

[Roar87]

What about the ones that are here because we needed them, and then we treated them like absolute crap? If we're a white country why are we getting in boats trying to colonise half the world? You can't just pick and choose.

Go and point out all the white countries at the height of the commonwealth, many descendants who have every right to claim residence here.

No one who is alive in the UK, or even their parents, has ever got in a boat and colonised a country. Why are you obsessed with this weird historical guilt? No one alive played any part in it. Do you take annual trips to Germany to remind them of their parents war crimes? I suspect not as you probably only hold this disdain for your own country

 

[plasmahal]

Just read through this thread which has seem to gone massively off topic in the last few pages.

I can't seem to find any definitive reason as to why the lyrics of rule Britannia are offensive/racist and therefore why people are outraged.

I don't watch the proms so have nothing invested in it, so can some please explain to me what is offensive about the lyrics?

I assume these are the lyrics in question:

https://www.songandpraise.org/rule-brittania-lyrics.htm