Rule Britannia or not?

[Roar87]

By "People on the left" do you mean the Neanderthal in the green bra who has wet himself?
What has he got against his mates?

He isn't wearing a bra mate, and oh look they chopped the black person out too. Looks a little different now doesn't it?

 

[Azza]

I don't watch TV generally, but when I have watched it recently (catch up on the C4 website) there wasn't actually an advert without a black person represented in it, yet black people make up around 3% (probably a bit higher as the information is a bit old now) of the population. I have nothing against black people being in adverts, I remember that guy Howard who did the Halifax adverts being quite popular and entertaining, but now it feels like diversity is mandatory, it's utterly bizarre. Do any countries outside of Western Europe and North America have this weird obsession with diversity quotas in everything?

You get black families who shop at Argos.

 

[ianh]

What has recent history taught you about how to treat people demanding others respect a song they themselves can't be ****ed to learn?

Firstly, recent history has taught me that people quite often ignore the actual content of a post that they reply to, just so that they can make up a strawman argument which they think will further push their own narrative, rather than asking a genuinely insightful question of the OP which is relevant to the post they're replying to. However once thats pointed out to them the usual game of "being angered by the reply because they now feel attacked by the answer given so they start another boring and, quite frankly childish, he said you said back and forth" usually begins, all of which is tedious and just wastes everyone's time.

Secondly, recent history has taught me that its nearly impossible to answer questions about something that was never mentioned in my post so is there another question that is directly related to my post that you'd like to ask perhaps?

Thirdly, recent history has taught me that those who enjoy feeling intellectually "superior" to those around them generally seem to be, in my limited experience at least, people who tend to have extremely limited understanding of anything outside their little comfort zone and often are very unwilling to attempt to empathise with people they feel are "lower" than them, despite generally having no idea about the lives of those people, their struggles, their stories etc. People who can happily show such a lack of empathy generally don't appeal to me.

So to answer you question (and avoid the first point myself) your question is asking "how I treat people demanding others respect a song they themselves can't be ****ed to learn?" - I respect their opinions even if I disagree with them. I realise that they might feel just as passionately about their view as I feel about mine. I don't treat them differently just because I may have had a better education or better opportunities in life. I try and understand their viewpoint, because without understanding then there is no way to go about changing their views. However my viewpoints seem to be those of an ever decreasing minority it seems.

Hope that helps.

 

[Roar87]

You get black families who shop at Argos.

Of course you do, quite obviously, but the diversity you see in advertising isn't actually representative of the UK ethnic make up at all, which is about 80% white or more. Count how many people of colour you see in adverts vs white people. Every company is so desperate to show how "not racist" they are that their adverts have become some ridiculous multicultural utopia that doesn't actually exist.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ead4DB_XQAAVRbV?format=jpg&name=medium

Photo is doctored, people like you immediately believed it because you suffer from confirmation bias, you think the opposition are stupid so actively look for and believe evidence that supports that while disregarding evidence that refutes it.

People on the left want you to hate these people, they're just regular working class people who care about their country. They definitely aren't the most educated or intelligent people, but they aren't bad people either. You'd probably get along better with people in that photo than half the stuck up tossers that read The Guardian.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...in-first-supporters-is-doctored-idUSKBN23N37J

Sorry, nothing about the un-photoshopped version makes this photo any better

 

[Azza]

Of course you do, quite obviously, but the diversity you see in advertising isn't actually representative of the UK ethnic make up at all, which is about 80% white or more. Count how many people of colour you see in adverts vs white people. Every company is so desperate to show how "not racist" they are that their adverts have become some ridiculous multicultural utopia that doesn't actually exist.

It's an advertisement, a marketing strategy. Maybe they're using black actors to try and appeal the brand more to black people and get more money from them.

 

[Roar87]

Sorry, nothing about the un-photoshopped version makes this photo any better

I've been to Woking, it's a nice place, average house prices around £500k, probably not many low paid workers can afford to live there. I doubt anyone in that photo cares what people from Woking think of them.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

Firstly, recent history has taught me that people quite often ignore the actual content of a post that they reply to, just so that they can make up a strawman argument which they think will further push their own narrative, rather than asking a genuinely insightful question of the OP which is relevant to the post they're replying to. However once thats pointed out to them the usual game of "being angered by the reply because they now feel attacked by the answer given so they start another boring and, quite frankly childish, he said you said back and forth" usually begins, all of which is tedious and just wastes everyone's time.

Secondly, recent history has taught me that its nearly impossible to answer questions about something that was never mentioned in my post so is there another question that is directly related to my post that you'd like to ask perhaps?

Thirdly, recent history has taught me that those who enjoy feeling intellectually "superior" to those around them generally seem to be, in my limited experience at least, people who tend to have extremely limited understanding of anything outside their little comfort zone and often are very unwilling to attempt to empathise with people they feel are "lower" than them, despite generally having no idea about the lives of those people, their struggles, their stories etc. People who can happily show such a lack of empathy generally don't appeal to me.

So to answer you question (and avoid the first point myself) your question is asking "how I treat people demanding others respect a song they themselves can't be ****ed to learn?" - I respect their opinions even if I disagree with them. I realise that they might feel just as passionately about their view as I feel about mine. I don't treat them differently just because I may have had a better education or better opportunities in life. I try and understand their viewpoint, because without understanding then there is no way to go about changing their views. However my viewpoints seem to be those of an ever decreasing minority it seems.

Hope that helps.

What a load of waffle. I asked a simple question. There was no strawman in there whatsoever. You self-identified as the victim - or the appointed defender of some victims - that you perceived I'd attacked in my post (which was just a video of some imbeciles) because of their pride in their country.

That is a strawman. It's not their pride I was attacking; it's their rank hypocrisy - protesting against seemingly nonexistent people they feel aren't being respectful enough of a song they themselves didn't respect enough to learn.

You assert I "imagined them all to be one homogeneous lump of thickos and racist" - that's another strawman (You seem to go in heavily for this projection) All I've done is post a video of some idiots.

You mentioned recent history, and I was interested to understand what you meant. I note you were unable to elaborate. Instead you've tried to be clever, and tie in phrases and concepts but you've not managed to make it add up. It's all just weak anecdotal rhetoric. And then you finish it all off with this idea that everyone's opinions are worthy of respect which is just plain fallacy. Opinions can have objective merit or lack of worth. Not that it's got anything to do with the idiots in the video.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

I've been to Woking, it's a nice place, average house prices around £500k, probably not many low paid workers can afford to live there. I doubt anyone in that photo cares what people from Woking think of them.

They probably don’t. Woking is a nice place, though. It has plenty of low paid workers, lots of immigrants. You probably wouldn’t like it

 

[jpaul]

It's an advertisement, a marketing strategy. Maybe they're using black actors to try and appeal the brand more to black people and get more money from them.

They may improve their sales to white people, by advertising their multi-ethnical credentials in the adverts, equally ethnic people could feel patronized if they are too present, tricky.

youtube , if you allow adds, would give you individualized adds, so, it maybe interesting to see which adds white/ethnic folks get, assuming the algorithm profiles them correctly
(good god the word algorithm is now persona non-grata)

 

[Roar87]

They probably don’t. Woking is a nice place, though. It has plenty of low paid workers, lots of immigrants. You probably wouldn’t like it

Yeah I'm pretty sure Woking has less immigrants than Wakefield for some reason, and I already said I like Woking in the post you quoted.

 

[Greebo]

Yeah I'm pretty sure Woking has less immigrants than Wakefield for some reason, and I already said I like Woking in the post you quoted.

You may be surprised. Woking has 18.9% immigrants and has doubled in the last 10 years compared with Wakefield at 8.9%.

Even as a county Surrey has 14% compared with West Yorkshire at 12%

EDIT: And before you dispute them, these are based on the ONS on "Non UK born" residents.

Of course if an are has had lots of immigration in the past and there are second and 3rd generation descendants of those immigrants living there then it may well "appear" that there are more in Wakefield.

 

[chroniclard]

So much stuff people get triggered over, adverts now....still being a whinging grotbag is quintessentially British.

 

[Roar87]

You may be surprised. Woking has 18.9% immigrants and has doubled in the last 10 years compared with Wakefield at 8.9%.

Even as a county Surrey has 14% compared with West Yorkshire at 12%

EDIT: And before you dispute them, these are based on the ONS on "Non UK born" residents.

Of course if an are has had lots of immigration in the past and there are second and 3rd generation descendants of those immigrants living there then it may well "appear" that there are more in Wakefield.

I am a little bit surprised, I guess there are a lot of low paid immigrants in 1 bed house shares in Woking. It doesn't really change my point though, I have nothing against immigrants and wouldn't dislike an area because of how many people of foreign descent live there, the insinuation that I do is basically just a lazy accusation of racism.

For clarification, I don't follow Britain First on Facebook, I could hardly tell you anything about the group except for the fact that it's mostly made up of uneducated working class men, who are actually quite a disadvantaged group, that's often overlooked.

 

[ianh]

Firstly, recent history has taught me that people quite often ignore the actual content of a post that they reply to, just so that they can make up a strawman argument which they think will further push their own narrative, rather than asking a genuinely insightful question of the OP which is relevant to the post they're replying to. However once thats pointed out to them the usual game of "being angered by the reply because they now feel attacked by the answer given so they start another boring and, quite frankly childish, he said you said back and forth" usually begins, all of which is tedious and just wastes everyone's time

What a load of waffle. I asked a simple question. There was no strawman in there whatsoever. You self-identified as the victim - or the appointed defender of some victims - that you perceived I'd attacked in my post (which was just a video of some imbeciles) because of their pride in their country.

That is a strawman. It's not their pride I was attacking; it's their rank hypocrisy - protesting against seemingly nonexistent people they feel aren't being respectful enough of a song they themselves didn't respect enough to learn.

You assert I "imagined them all to be one homogeneous lump of thickos and racist" - that's another strawman (You seem to go in heavily for this projection) All I've done is post a video of some idiots.

You mentioned recent history, and I was interested to understand what you meant. I note you were unable to elaborate. Instead you've tried to be clever, and tie in phrases and concepts but you've not managed to make it add up. It's all just weak anecdotal rhetoric. And then you finish it all off with this idea that everyone's opinions are worthy of respect which is just plain fallacy. Opinions can have objective merit or lack of worth. Not that it's got anything to do with the idiots in the video.

Sadly your post was so predictable that I even told you what you'd say before you wrote it

However, as I said you've already proven to be so boringly predictable, and I find the back & forth so tedious, I'll end my participation and your oh so predictable responses including the classic "so you can't answer then" to a question that had nothing to do with my post in the first place, but which I did answer by the way, in deliberately simple to understand language too I'd hoped, ah well.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

Honestly, I’m also very surprised. There’s a huge Islamic community here, lots of Indians, and lots of Eastern European’s. It’s a nice place though.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

I am a little bit surprised, I guess there are a lot of low paid immigrants in 1 bed house shares in Woking. It doesn't really change my point though, I have nothing against immigrants and wouldn't dislike an area because of how many people of foreign descent live there, the insinuation that I do is basically just a lazy accusation of racism.

For clarification, I don't follow Britain First on Facebook, I could hardly tell you anything about the group except for the fact that it's mostly made up of uneducated working class men, who are actually quite a disadvantaged group, that's often overlooked.

that’s fair dude

 

[Greebo]

I am a little bit surprised, I guess there are a lot of low paid immigrants in 1 bed house shares in Woking. It doesn't really change my point though, I have nothing against immigrants and wouldn't dislike an area because of how many people of foreign descent live there, the insinuation that I do is basically just a lazy accusation of racism.

For clarification, I don't follow Britain First on Facebook, I could hardly tell you anything about the group except for the fact that it's mostly made up of uneducated working class men, who are actually quite a disadvantaged group, that's often overlooked.

i didn’t imply that you would but it’s you who seems to dislike the amount of immigration in Wakefield as you brought it up, not me.

 

[Roar87]

i didn’t imply that you would but it’s you who seems to dislike the amount of immigration in Wakefield as you brought it up, not me.

I am a little bit surprised, I guess there are a lot of low paid immigrants in 1 bed house shares in Woking. It doesn't really change my point though, I have nothing against immigrants and wouldn't dislike an area because of how many people of foreign descent live there, the insinuation that I do is basically just a lazy accusation of racism.

For clarification, I don't follow Britain First on Facebook, I could hardly tell you anything about the group except for the fact that it's mostly made up of uneducated working class men, who are actually quite a disadvantaged group, that's often overlooked.

 

[Greebo]

Again you mentioned how many immigrants there are in Wakefield, not me. Shouting that you don’t care doesn’t really ring true otherwise why even mention it and the fact you think Woking has much less (when it hasn’t)

nobody else brought up the number of immigrants but YOU.

so why even mention it???