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Rule Britannia or not?
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We've gone from an innocuous Argos advert to lack of representation in Government and someone making a funny but slightly controversial comment on air. Compare apples with apples please.
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Maybe it was all an attempt to increase viewing figures and we've all been duped! 
It was not even provided for your benefit so please don’t make the swamp any worse please. We are in the process of draining it.
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What on Earth do a 2017 CNN item on Trump and a8 18 month old Sun item on Channel 4's Jon Snow have to do with the Last Night of the BBC Radio 3 2020 Proms?
He's also considering cutting most of the left wing 'comedy' shows off the BBC.
There goes your Saturday nights viewing
I was listening to a Lenny Henry sketch on BBC Radio 4 Extra last night about a policeman pulling over a black man and thinking up reasons of why he pulled the guy over, even though everything was innocent. Apparently that passes as a joke to his left leaning audience. I don't see the joke.
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He's also considering cutting most of the left wing 'comedy' shows off the BBC.
There goes your Saturday nights viewing
I was listening to a Lenny Henry sketch on BBC Radio 4 Extra last night about a policeman pulling over a black man and thinking up reasons of why he pulled the guy over, even though everything was innocent. Apparently that passes as a joke to his left leaning audience. I don't see the joke.
Who even watches the BBC these days.
Who even watches the BBC these days.
If that is the case why did the liberals want it removed then. ? I mean if they are not watching it there would be no offence surely.
There is an interesting discussion to be had here though.
Let's take the specifics out of it and look at it in the abstract. In modern times we are so damn good at preserving things. There would have been art, music, architecture that was magnificent and majestic and all that. That has been long gone due to not having good ways to record it or preserve it. We have managed to keep hold of Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory due to modern efforts to preserve these things. But what about in 500 years? The arguments to keep playing them "It's our history" etc. will still be true, it's just will we not have created new masterpieces in that time? Should they be played over them?
Look at houses too. Populations will continue to go up. We as a country tend to love older houses (not everyone does, but a large number do). Over time more and more will become listed but the demand for land and building vertically will grow. What happens then? :/ Houses built 100 years ago had massive driveways and front gardens, able to fit 3+ cars on, when nobody had cars. Modern estates are littered with cars parked all over the road because the driveways only provide space for 1 (or nil) cars and now people have 2+ cars per household.
It's the same with art and music. At some point they will be replaced. Although I think in the specific case of Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory, there time hasn't come yet.
Let's take the specifics out of it and look at it in the abstract. In modern times we are so damn good at preserving things. There would have been art, music, architecture that was magnificent and majestic and all that. That has been long gone due to not having good ways to record it or preserve it. We have managed to keep hold of Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory due to modern efforts to preserve these things. But what about in 500 years? The arguments to keep playing them "It's our history" etc. will still be true, it's just will we not have created new masterpieces in that time? Should they be played over them?
Look at houses too. Populations will continue to go up. We as a country tend to love older houses (not everyone does, but a large number do). Over time more and more will become listed but the demand for land and building vertically will grow. What happens then? :/ Houses built 100 years ago had massive driveways and front gardens, able to fit 3+ cars on, when nobody had cars. Modern estates are littered with cars parked all over the road because the driveways only provide space for 1 (or nil) cars and now people have 2+ cars per household.
It's the same with art and music. At some point they will be replaced. Although I think in the specific case of Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory, there time hasn't come yet.
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Was there anymore than a handful of nuts that wanted it removed/toned down/changed? Normal people mostly dont give a toss.
Never watched it, never sung either song in my life, wouldn't care if I never heard either again.
That’s probably true. It’s just how those small amount of nuts had a massive effect/influence on the BBC to makes them want to change it. But anyway justice was served in the end.
And lo the Proms got some singers.
And low those who never watched it but got upset were sated.
But yet, it still won't have the same feel or effect as what is expected from that very specific performance, a recording from years gone by would have more of the atmosphere that is the Last Night, this is going to more like any other normal performance, not the audience participation event that people go to Last Night for.
And low those who never watched it but got upset were sated.
But yet, it still won't have the same feel or effect as what is expected from that very specific performance, a recording from years gone by would have more of the atmosphere that is the Last Night, this is going to more like any other normal performance, not the audience participation event that people go to Last Night for.
I agree, but let it go this time and next year there is a precedent for changing the program further away from the norm. I do watch last night mostly for the audience participation and the obvious enjoyment of the performers as well.
I don't think it would have changed any further next year, but would have reverted back (assuming we've got a vaccine for the virus by then).
IIRC the argument about the wording has come up several times in the past, usually as a comment from one or two people then been reported as "it's going to happen" or "we must stop this" by the press who then ensure that it makes a huge fuss over something that was never going to happen.
All I see from this is a cynical move to appease a very vocal group of people who from this thread have probably in many cases never turned on for the proms let alone attended one.
I also find it slightly amusing as I suspect most of those who were most vocal couldn't recite the lyrics without looking them up.
IIRC the argument about the wording has come up several times in the past, usually as a comment from one or two people then been reported as "it's going to happen" or "we must stop this" by the press who then ensure that it makes a huge fuss over something that was never going to happen.
All I see from this is a cynical move to appease a very vocal group of people who from this thread have probably in many cases never turned on for the proms let alone attended one.
I also find it slightly amusing as I suspect most of those who were most vocal couldn't recite the lyrics without looking them up.
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I used to go to Proms concerts in the past - queuing up for the "Arena". I went to a few "Last Nights" and I can remember that even back in the day there was talk of dropping some of the Jingoistic songs - most people were in favour of keeping them.
I don't know what the real explanation was for the proposed change but having watched the concerts to date I am aware that a choir was socially distanced in the stalls for "Sleep" and singers are going to perform a new version of Jerusalem on the Last Night so I can't take seriously the suggestion that it was not appropriate to have a chorus for Rule, Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory.
Having said all that, the whole Last Night will undoubtedly be a disappointment to many this year
It was classic BBC. They wanted to make sure the conductor (etc) were all sympathetic to BLM. One BBC insider even called it "The BLM Proms."
Quelle surprise when these people thought Rule Britannia et al were remnant of Empire and blah blah blah.
The BBC makes its own problems by focusing so much on people with agendas. They go out of their way to ensure every agenda that basically is opposed to the cis/white/male demographic is given a pedestal on their platform.
Emmanuel Macron today talking about Charlie Hebdo, ...in France today you have a right to blaspheme.. Art has always been about pushing boundaries, to offend even. No restrictions have ever been put on comedy in recent years. People have tried to sue Private Eye with varying results.
Nobody has a right not to be offended. If you are offended, turn a corner, look the other way or just close your eyes. It did not happen.
Nobody has a right not to be offended. If you are offended, turn a corner, look the other way or just close your eyes. It did not happen.
Foxeye Is there any proof to that claim at all?
From what I heard they have been debating how to handle the proms constantly since March with things changing on a regular basis as information about how the virus spread improved.
I've not seen anything that suggest the BBC even thought about changing the wording, just that they were unsure how to proceed with it at all due to the risks.
IIRC not long before this all blew up the government where telling churches they couldn't have choirs and singing in confined spaces due to the risks - which would sort of suggest the risk assessment for singing with a choir in an opera house for the proms might have been considered too high.I know the BBC had several items about how the performances for other things had been reduced to things like two singers alone on the stage and how that affected their performance/the feel of it and how strange it was for people used to performing in front of a live audience, or at least with the orchestra present and in view as in a normal rehearsal.
From what I heard they have been debating how to handle the proms constantly since March with things changing on a regular basis as information about how the virus spread improved.
I've not seen anything that suggest the BBC even thought about changing the wording, just that they were unsure how to proceed with it at all due to the risks.
IIRC not long before this all blew up the government where telling churches they couldn't have choirs and singing in confined spaces due to the risks - which would sort of suggest the risk assessment for singing with a choir in an opera house for the proms might have been considered too high.I know the BBC had several items about how the performances for other things had been reduced to things like two singers alone on the stage and how that affected their performance/the feel of it and how strange it was for people used to performing in front of a live audience, or at least with the orchestra present and in view as in a normal rehearsal.
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