Rumour Mill : Kim Jong Un could be dead.

Mr C said:
I have quite limited knowledge on the NK/SK/China/USA intricacies but is there a possibility that pending a civil war that (assuming KJU's death and a lack of direct successor), to protect S.Korea and more importantly to distract from Trump's terrible current image and as a push for re-election could the USA attempt to invade NK under the guise of peacekeeping. Conflicting this with the idea that China requires a buffer zone between the US/S.Korea (is this what happened during the Korean war in the 50s?) Could North Korea become another proxy war between America and China through the guise of NK/SK?

edit: Aren't they still technically still at war over this exact issue today?
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Technically, yes, but no sane person wants it to become an actual war again. It wouldn't work as a proxy war, really, as you'd almost certainly end up with USA soldiers and Chinese soldiers fighting each other directly. It would be too blatant to be a proxy. It would also be a bad fit for a domestic image-boosting exercise because the death toll would be very high even if it didn't go to full on NBC WMD slaughter (which it might - North Korea has all three and China and USA have nukes, lots of nukes). Also, a part of Trump's vote-winning image was to take the USA out of wars, not put the USA into wars. Hence, for example, screwing the Kurds over in Syria by withdrawing USA troops from there.
 
Meddling-Monk said:
With regards to the North Korean people there gaining "Freedom" from his death; That's an ideological fools dream. It'll never happen so long as there's enough of a grip by those with military power who want things to remain as they are; whether they were conditioned to think like that or truly believe it's them vs the world, etc. So this will never happen, not without an actual Leader of North Korea slowly guiding it towards a different path. Otherwise, there'll just be a power struggle.
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I wouldn't say never... depends on who takes control really. I mean his uncle (by marriage - Jang Song-thaek) was executed by him a few years ago, his brother (Kim Jong-nam) was assassinated in Malaysia. He's got another brother (Kim Jong-chul) and he is seemingly loyal/involved in the uncle execution so I guess there could be another "Kim Jong" to step up if fatty is done for plus there are two sisters: Kim Sol-song and Kim Yo-jong - the latter one is close to him and a potential successor. He's also still got an uncle who has had a career as a diplomat for several years (Kim Pyong-il) and an aunt (whose husband he executed).

The uncle has been viewed suspiciously in the past by the regime:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Pyong-il#Relations_with_Pyongyang
Kim Pyong-il reportedly continued to be considered a threat to the North Korean government due to his resemblance to his father Kim Il-sung. Reports claim he is under watch by both North and South Korean intelligence.
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Though it seems he's back living in NK now and has retired from his diplomatic career.

Also **** knows who else among the generals etc.. might step in and try to take control.
 
dowie said:
I wouldn't say never... depends on who takes control really.
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dowie said:
Also **** knows who else among the generals etc.. might step in and try to take control.
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Yep. The precise issue is, Kim Jong Un has managed to control the situation there now (or at least, we hope so). Once he goes, it's potentially anyones game, relatives, military, anyone with power. And that's not a thought we want to entertain really considering the weaponry they have. So that's why to be honest, we'd really rather Kim Jong Un have a long and healthy reign. As someone with his desire for celebrity, can be more easily pursuaded through effort and time (appealing to their vanity), than someone who's a hardliner against everyone else.

Sometimes there are only bad choices, but you still have to choose. And personally, Kim Jong Un is that better choice.
 
I dunno - still risk of the current idiot going nuclear too - might as well have a bit of chaos internally... it's not like just because they have internal conflict or a possible coup etc.. that some other new leader is necessarily going to be any more likely to go nuts with the nukes. I mean if there is a coup perhaps it will be because China has backed a particular person (or... long shot, perhaps the US/SK has).

Anyway - couple more memes (since it is GD):

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dowie said:
I dunno - still risk of the current idiot going nuclear too - might as well have a bit of chaos internally... it's not like just because they have internal conflict or a possible coup etc.. that some other new leader is necessarily going to be any more likely to go nuts with the nukes. I mean if there is a coup perhaps it will be because China has backed a particular person (or... long shot, perhaps the US/SK has).
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I'd say it's less likely with Kim Jong Un, for the very reason of unless backed into a corner (which no one will do anyway) and whilst he has control of the situation within North Korea (military), as a self-absorbed, gluttunous person, the nuclear option is unlikely to be used as it doesn't serve their own interests. But sure, I'd agree that it wouldn't be a 100% fail safe bet, but overall, I'd say it's better than the others who the press/bloggers are putting up for contention for the seat. Who not only are unknowns, but also appear to be ideological worshippers (able or unable to hold the position), or hardliners wanting to make a mark (which means the Nuclear option is more likely if they are unable to secure power and want to do so via the Nuclear option).

But hey, as said, it's GD. Love the memes. :)
 
Meddling-Monk said:
I'd say it's less likely with Kim Jong Un, for the very reason of unless backed into a corner (which no one will do anyway) and whilst he has control of the situation within North Korea (military), as a self-absorbed, gluttunous person, the nuclear option is unlikely to be used as it doesn't serve their own interests. But sure, I'd agree that it wouldn't be a 100% fail safe bet, but overall, I'd say it's better than the others who the press/bloggers are putting up for contention for the seat. Who not only are unknowns, but also appear to be ideological worshippers (able or unable to hold the position), or hardliners wanting to make a mark (which means the Nuclear option is more likely if they are unable to secure power and want to do so via the Nuclear option).

But hey, as said, it's GD. Love the memes. :)
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Something that seems poorly understood in the west is that internally to NK even amongst the military leadership, etc. the mentality when it comes to nuclear weapons is more pre-1945 than the rest of the world which has very much taken onboard the lessons of 1945 onwards. While I don't think that makes it inevitable they will use one they are far more likely to use them than any country on Earth - even Iran is orders of magnitude less likely to ever use a nuclear weapon and more interested in them due to the leverage it gives them on the world stage.

Though as you say the self-interest of the ruling family is likely to trump the actual use of such.
 
Well at least his sis doesn't have his umpa lumpa physique.

She could tie me up and whip me as punishment any day.


As long as she she knows I'm not into kinky AA flak up my bottom
 
gotta love the random speculation stories about north korea.

I'm sure its actually propaganda aimed at trying to get insiders to overthrow the regime.

people fed to starving dogs.
people killed by AA guns...
then theres the golden quality stories
Back from the dead! Kim Jong-un's pop star ex-girlfriend is seen alongside North Korean dictator in public after reports she was executed by firing squad for making a sex tape
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even the onion couldnt make it up
Didn't one of his generals get executed to reappear from the dead several years later?


surely kim has no worries because north korea are the masters of reanimating the human body and raising the dead.

so if kim dies in the news we can expect a second coming at some point, maybe we should form a new religion?
 
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