Run your car on water...

manoz said:
Gaah, so typical of the US goverment, new technology which could potentially help against pollution and other useful application goes straight to military use first. Those ****ers really need to die
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yeah, Those damn ********s paying for all the major R&D to scale it up to industrial levels, before licensing companies produce it for them and others cheaper, god damn SOB's.


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HEADRAT said:
They will just TAX water that you put in your car, you'll have to have "Blue Water" or summink, anybody caught using tap water will be heavily fined!

Our Government has no real intention of getting people "out of their cars", they just to be able to TAX you more while you're in them!
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Exactly, if they can tax chip fat they'll have no problems with water :)

I'm just waiting for these plug in electric cars to be popular enough that the tax man takes notice - you'll have a special plug that needs a special licensed meter that somebody comes round and reads once a quarter to see how much tax you owe for using your leccy for transport :)
 
Well losing petrol driven cars would be a massive loss of money for the government. It stands to reason that they would need to replace that revenue stream.
 
Exactly, if they can tax chip fat they'll have no problems with water
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Assuming you're talking about using it in your car, they don't since June last year provided you use less than 2500 litres of veggie oil a year.
 
Tefal said:
yeah, Those damn ********s paying for all the major R&D to scale it up to industrial levels, before licensing companies produce it for them and others cheaper, god damn SOB's.


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Don't think I don't know that a lot of consumer stuff gets passed down from military research etc, I was just expressing my discontent. Apart from some medicines, all the stuff the military gave us, we can happily go with out, we did before. I'd rather see the world lack these techs then you know what
platypus said:
Well losing petrol driven cars would be a massive loss of money for the government. It stands to reason that they would need to replace that revenue stream.
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They would and I can understand them wanting to make up for the lost stream but the quicker they get rid of petrol cars the better
 
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Stonedofmoo said:
Assuming you're talking about using it in your car, they don't since June last year provided you use less than 2500 litres of veggie oil a year.
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But how many people actually run their cars on chip fat, very very few, as soon as it has any impact on TAX they collect they will curtail this current policy.
 
ha - what a load of rubbish - this has come up loads of times, mainly involving this so-called 'HHO gas', which of course doesn't exist in reality. All he is doing is using a large amount of electricity to electolyse the water into oxygen and hydrogen - a very inefficient process which has been known for many many years. The electricity has to come from somewhere (fossil fuel) and its only going to be more inefficient than an electric car so is it any wonder that the car companies are not interested.
 
HEADRAT said:
But how many people actually run their cars on chip fat, very very few, as soon as it has any impact on TAX they collect they will curtail this current policy.
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It's nothing to do with tax, it was taxed before

It's simply cost. Veggie oil is VAT free, as the law was previously you had to pay duty tax on it if used in your car. This was down to each user to send in the duty themselves.

It cost the government too much in admin costs to deal with all these cheques and paperwork so they introduced the policy that if you use less you don't have to pay duty. This means large companies that do lots of miles will pay tax while the average guy does not.
As usual it had nothing to do with the environment (Veg oil runs much cleaner than diesel) and it's all about the money.
 
Cyberstrike2027 said:
Our government would do the same, not least because if it went to joe public, they would lose that 75p/£ of fuel tax from their budget.
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The could then just tax something else put it onto mcdonalds and alcohol. Get our kids back in shape.

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This technology has been around for a while. I like to think of it as a contingency plan for when we run out of fuels. It's far too damaging on the global economy to stop using petrol and make the transfer to water. There's the tax it brings, the countries it supports, the major corporations that fund and sponsor anything and everything from petrol money, and so on and on. These kind of innovations serve to allay our fears. Be glad it's there, waiting in the pipeline.
 
Stonedofmoo said:
It's nothing to do with tax, it was taxed before

It's simply cost. Veggie oil is VAT free, as the law was previously you had to pay duty tax on it if used in your car. This was down to each user to send in the duty themselves.
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Well exactly, if a large number of motorist were doing it and they were losing £££ in TAX revenue they would simply start to TAX it again :confused:

As it is the cost of regulating the use of veg oil just isn't worth it so they've abolished it, if everybody starting filling up with vegetable they would just change the way the TAX worked in order to make it easier to collect.
 
HEADRAT said:
Well exactly, if a large number of motorist were doing it and they were losing £££ in TAX revenue they would simply start to TAX it again :confused:

As it is the cost of regulating the use of veg oil just isn't worth it so they've abolished it, if everybody starting filling up with vegetable they would just change the way the TAX worked in order to make it easier to collect.
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I think if a significant number of people started using veggetable oil as fuel for their cars then it would force the prices up through supply/demand.
 
pre1twa said:
I think if a significant number of people started using veggetable oil as fuel for their cars then it would force the prices up through supply/demand.
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It already has. 20 litres was £9 last March, the law came into place in June

Thanks to that 20 litres now cost £16!
 
Well I guess thats another problem, with the Governments current system we aren't going to know exactly how many cars are running on veg oil.
 
aardvark said:
ha - what a load of rubbish - this has come up loads of times, mainly involving this so-called 'HHO gas', which of course doesn't exist in reality. All he is doing is using a large amount of electricity to electolyse the water into oxygen and hydrogen - a very inefficient process which has been known for many many years. The electricity has to come from somewhere (fossil fuel) and its only going to be more inefficient than an electric car so is it any wonder that the car companies are not interested.
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Look at the other vids of him on the tube, there's a pt1+2 vid that's good, and explains that he's using only half an amp! Very high voltage, very high frequency and next to no current. Because of this, the temperature of the water didn't change over half an hour, where normal electrolysis raises the temperature of the water a degree every few seconds.

Apart from anything else, why do you think he was killed if his invention wasn't viable? :rolleyes:
 
Ultimately any fuel needs to require less electricity to process than it can deliver as the end product. If a gallon of fuel is enough to generate 10kwh it is of no use if it takes 11kwh to process into fuel.
As I recall, and I might be wrong :), HHO creation needs distilled (maybe it was de-ionised, cant remember) water, which itself takes power to process.
 
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