Russia concert hall attack
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Soldato
Have we been murdering civilians daily? Did we recently commit a genocide? Are we a terrorist state? The answer is no. In no way can the UK be compared to Russia, that you attempt to do it says everything about the vatnik you are.
Soldato
They likely decided to allow the attack to happen so they can use it as propaganda for their "special military operation". And that is exactly what they are doing. That is the kind of scum we are dealing with, yet some believe Putin can be negotiated with and trusted
Soldato
Not sure why the mods haven't moved this thread to SC tbh. Its the only way it will stay on topic.
You are basically the equivalent of someone in the Middle East cheering after 9/11, you do get that? It's a much more consistent and easy approach to just condemn all attacks on civilians from whoever does it. Honestly I think people like you are just literally beyond any logic and reasoning.
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Soldato
Only in your head is it like that. At no point have I cheered it on. Russia is a criminal state, run by criminals for criminals. It is also a terrorists state that carries out terrorist acts daily. They have far more in common with ISIS that they do us. Their national religious leaders have justified their terror acts and murders as God's work, sounds very ISIS like to me. So stop trying to compare it to the UK or USA, I know you need to to justify your position on Russia but that is your problem, not mine.
Just waiting for you to blame the CIA for this attack so we can go full circle.
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I get the feeling that with Poo-tin's many months of throwing around the threat of nuclear action, that he's using these tragedies as an excuse to actually try to act on those threats.
It's a sad state of affairs but it does seem like war may be looking if he does attack Ukraine for this.
It's a sad state of affairs but it does seem like war may be looking if he does attack Ukraine for this.
Okay man, so if you're not cheering it on just condemn what was an attack on innocent civilians by terrorists. If you want to call Russia's conflict with Ukraine a war of terror or whatever that's a separate issue, this attack actually has nothing to do with the Ukraine war.
As for who's responsible it strongly seems like it was ISIS, I doubt it was anything to do with the CIA or Ukraine as it's far too risky for them to pull this kind of thing with the potential for escalation.
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What's really sickening is that Putin knows very well that his old enemy, ISIS, is responsible for this atrocity, but he is trying to put the blame on the Ukrainians so he can stir up the righteous anger of the Russian population against Ukraine. Thus, making it easier to conscript men to fight there, increasing support for the use of even more brutal methods there and for increased expenditure on arms production.
The Ukrainians have been careful only to aim at military/dual-use targets in Russia and would never do an attack against a soft civilian target like this. Mostly because it's not consistent with their ethical values, but partly because it would also cause them to lose the high-moral-ground in the eyes of the world. Zelensky knows that if had ordered/collaborated in an attack like this it would turn many people in liberal western democracies against him and for what benefit?
Putin really has insulted the intelligence of the Russian people with his ridiculous accusations against Ukraine in this case.
The Ukrainians have been careful only to aim at military/dual-use targets in Russia and would never do an attack against a soft civilian target like this. Mostly because it's not consistent with their ethical values, but partly because it would also cause them to lose the high-moral-ground in the eyes of the world. Zelensky knows that if had ordered/collaborated in an attack like this it would turn many people in liberal western democracies against him and for what benefit?
Putin really has insulted the intelligence of the Russian people with his ridiculous accusations against Ukraine in this case.
Soldato
I've already said I feel for the victims. Russia is firing missiles into innocent civilian targets daily. They likely murder more people a week than died in this attack. Its attack on Ukraine is an ongoing terrorist attack. Its attack on Chechnya was a brutal terrorist attack that ended in a genocide. Russia is a terrorist state, if you play with fire you are going to get burned and Russia has been pouring petrol on fires for decades. Right now they are spreading lies to put the blame on Ukraine and the Russian people lap it up.
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Putin is right, they are nothing like us, they are far more like the religious extremists to their south. Thankfully they were never admitted to the EU, they might be European geographically but they are nothing like us.
Glad you've at least stopped trying to compare that nation to the UK or US.
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American right wing Twitter is wild today (it’s wild every day tbf)
Apparently Israel run and fund ISIS…
Apparently Israel run and fund ISIS…
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Soldato
I am getting a bit worried that this could create massive escalation in Ukraine and the surrounding region. I'm interested to hear peoples thoughts on a particular question. If push comes to shove, do we have WW3, Russia v Nato. Or a peace deal where Ukraine is split in 2. The Russian speaking part/The Ukrainian speaking part. What does the west do in that situation?
I'd be very surprised if this escalates anything tbh.
Soldato
I woud have thought that a couple of months ago, but some of the language out of the west is turning increasingly more hawkish in terms of Nato involvement.
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Don't think it will escalate anything. Russia is not pressing any buttons or taking on NATO. They're just nuts.
Soldato
Putin wouldn't last 5 minutes against NATO with his ancient weapons and depleted army, that's why even though he's clearly a lunatic he's been very careful to never target NATO countries or their planes/ships
Soldato
I don’t see how there can be lasting peace whilst Putin is running Russia.
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