Russian SU-24 - Shot Down by Turkey

Blackjack Davy · 29 Nov 2015 at 18:04

Jokester said:
It amazes me that the EU even considers them a suitable candidate for membership.

And that the US actively pushes Europe for it too.

But alls fair in love and war eh, just so long as they hate Russia and everyone hates Russia.

aardvark said:
Merkel has been trying to fast track it - its bizarre.

Everything she does is bizaare lately.

Iraklis F.C. · 29 Nov 2015 at 18:06

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ut-human-rights-says-Jean-Claude-Juncker.html

EU should not 'harp on' at Turkey about human rights, says Jean-Claude Juncker
Attacking Turkey's crackdown on press freedom will not help solve migration crisis, says the European Commission president

i am speechless. Instead of enforcing the aegean with joint patrols, they give away 3 bln to turks AND they dont even care if it is run by a dictatorship because "it might not help the migrantcisis"

This EU was laughable, its becoming dangerous, rapidly

jsmoke · 29 Nov 2015 at 18:11

Arthur Hucksake said:
Turkey are the link between the militants and the EU. Keeping them sweet will keep a flow of intelligence, or at least we can keep a closer eye on their activities. Unfortunately if they were full EU members, it would facilitate easier passage of terrorists around Europe.

They use to be a secular and tolerant country but now seem to be going the opposite way.

Armchair general much?

Uhtred · 29 Nov 2015 at 18:38

neoboy said:
Saw the unedited video, absolutely broad daylight with no one even trying to cover up their faces.

That's crazy, the gunman just runs past two or three armed men at 0:09 and gets the lawyer?

Longbow · 29 Nov 2015 at 18:50

Uhtred said:
That's crazy, the gunman just runs past two or three armed men at 0:09 and gets the lawyer?

xdcx · 1 Dec 2015 at 00:40

Dave is having his tick box exercise "vote" on Wednesday -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34970516

More planes invading the skies fighting different versions of goodies and baddies. Keeping us all safe, so he is. Good bloke, that Dave.

Malevolence · 1 Dec 2015 at 05:28

aardvark said:
Merkel has been trying to fast track it - its bizarre.

Merkel is grade-A ****ing loony tunes! She's determined to bring about the destruction of Europe before her time in power is up.

RaohNS · 1 Dec 2015 at 07:38

Jokester said:
It amazes me that the EU even considers them a suitable candidate for membership.

With corruption, cronyism, backstabbing, fraud (on an unimaginable scale), lack of press freedom and assassinations of journalists who uncover the same, false democracy, lies, receipt and an increasingly wealthy Turkish elite holding office... They are perfect candidate for EU membership and would fit in perfectly with the politico elite across Europe

leaskovski · 1 Dec 2015 at 10:35

Will be interesting to see if Russia can produce evidence of the whole IS oil and Turkey thing, given that the Turkish PM is now goading them on their claim.

Trig · 1 Dec 2015 at 10:56

Turkey is really pushing it now, but why would they not, they have just been given a shed load of EU money, Merkel is fast tracking them into the EU, NATO are pretty much condoning the shooting down of the Russian jet by Turkey, they are going to land us in a world of hurt by association and not give a crap because the big bullies in the playground have their back...

Zethor · 1 Dec 2015 at 11:11

Trig said:
Turkey is really pushing it now, but why would they not, they have just been given a shed load of EU money, Merkel is fast tracking them into the EU, NATO are pretty much condoning the shooting down of the Russian jet by Turkey, they are going to land us in a world of hurt by association and not give a crap because the big bullies in the playground have their back...

What world of hurt? NATO's military strength is roughly 15 times the size of Russia's.

Trig · 1 Dec 2015 at 13:33

Zethor said:
What world of hurt? NATO's military strength is roughly 15 times the size of Russia's.

I didnt mean as a purely military action, we are going to be getting into a war that we can ill afford, as well as all of the social and economic repercussions..
America stirs the pot from the otherside of the planet and have no direct links to the middle east so its fine for them to go in gungho as they are in a much safer position, putting Turkey into the EU gives whatever terrorists that are in the middle east a much easier route into Europe and once they are in, they'll vanish and pop up in 10 or so years time and blow us up.

All of the countries that are involved in this entire middle east problem are doing so for personal gain and not the greater good, there in lies the problem...

Cyanide · 1 Dec 2015 at 13:51

Zethor said:
What world of hurt? NATO's military strength is roughly 15 times the size of Russia's.

And when Russia turns off the gas?

RoboCod · 1 Dec 2015 at 13:57

Cyanide said:
And when Russia turns off the gas?

They cripple their own economy even further and we buy it elsewhere but for more money?

Freakbro · 1 Dec 2015 at 14:01

RoboCod said:
They cripple their own economy even further and we buy it elsewhere but for more money?

And this is why we are safe from WW3, because no-one can afford to have it anymore

StriderX · 1 Dec 2015 at 14:04

Freakbro said:
And this is why we are safe from WW3, because no-one can afford to have it anymore

Well that's the main issue with nation states... Won't be an issue for PMCs will it?

They gained a lot of clout during Iraq and Afghanistan.

muon · 1 Dec 2015 at 15:55

I don't get why people are surprised that the rebels in that region fired upon a Russian helicopter.

We've been hearing for ages that Russia had been attacking non IS targets like them to support Assad.

mmj_uk · 1 Dec 2015 at 17:41

Yeah but it just goes to show how ridiculous the moderate/rebel facade is, they're no better than ISIS really and I bet they don't fight each other as they probably can't tell each other apart either.

In any other country someone who takes up arms against his government is a terrorist, if the Saudi's killed thousands of 'revolutionaries' we'd be supporting them so why is Syria any different?

If the so called rebels succeed all that will happen is Syria will fall into ISIS hands, even military experts are saying as much.

Zethor · 1 Dec 2015 at 17:46

Trig said:
I didnt mean as a purely military action, we are going to be getting into a war that we can ill afford, as well as all of the social and economic repercussions..
America stirs the pot from the otherside of the planet and have no direct links to the middle east so its fine for them to go in gungho as they are in a much safer position, putting Turkey into the EU gives whatever terrorists that are in the middle east a much easier route into Europe and once they are in, they'll vanish and pop up in 10 or so years time and blow us up.

All of the countries that are involved in this entire middle east problem are doing so for personal gain and not the greater good, there in lies the problem...

The US is in the Middle East because it has had an interventionist foreign policy since the events of WWI and WWII. We should be thankful for it, terrorism is a small price to pay for peace in the West.

Trig · 1 Dec 2015 at 19:56

Zethor said:
The US is in the Middle East because it has had an interventionist foreign policy since the events of WWI and WWII. We should be thankful for it, terrorism is a small price to pay for peace in the West.

Yes, but, as I have asked many people to do, and none have done, get 3 maps, on the first have where foreign conflicts are that cover things that they have used as an excuse to go into places like Iraq etc, second, where they have actaully gone in, and third, where the oil is...

Overlay the three..

In fact just for **** and giggles, get a fourth map with all of the places where bombing has helped the situation..