RX 7600XT 16GB Launched.

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Same card as the RX 7600 but with higher clocks and 16GB of VRam.
Release Date 24/01/2024, $329.
The RX 7600 is currently selling for £249 so i expect this to sell for about £290.

 

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If theres little to no performance gain this won’t age well.

Kinda disappointed tbh.

Its about 10% faster than my RTX 2070S and i have a few games where it runs out of VRam before it runs out of performance at 1440P.

Icarus
Rust
Forza 5
Star Citizen....... to name a few.

Its not much more expensive than the 8GB version, so it gives people who wan't a capable 16GB card for under £300 an option, its actually the only option there is.

IMO its a welcome edition. More options are never a bad thing.

 

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I'd have preferred less memory with a higher bus, but I guess that's already here, 6700/6700 XT. This is going to look weird when the 7700 non-XT appears, similar to how the 4060 Ti 16GB looks weird against the 4070.

7700 non-XT? Have AMD said anything about that? fake rumor, no?

I don't think it does look weird, the 6700XT is EOL, its not going to be around forever and its more expensive with the cheapest currently being £320, and at 12% faster (according to TPU) than the RX 7600 its not going to be a better option than this as the 16GB version also gets a 9.7% clock boost.

AMD have done thins right, the 4060Ti 16GB is the same price as the RX 7700XT and WAY slower, at £450 is FAR too expensive for the level of performance you're getting, this, again according to TPU is about 85% to 90% of its performance and sub £300.

Its a clocked up 16GB version of a sub £300 8GB card for sub £300, about £40 more. Its a better buy i would argue than the EOL 6700XT.

 

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Would have been nice if they shipped it with slightly faster VRAM,ie,20GBPS GDDR6 because the design is bandwidth limited. But as time progresses the price will drop a bit,and AFAIK the RTX4060 has a £290 RRP,so this matches it.

Yeah.... faster VRam would have been nice to give it that extra little kick.

 

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EEC filings, doesn't mean it is guaranteed obviously, but we do have a 6700 non-XT.


From the benchmark results of the 4060 Ti that I've seen, clamshell 16GB is just not comparable to 16GB with a bigger bus (at least,.. with similar memory), which is why I'd rather have a 7700 non-XT with 12GB (or maybe even 10GB) over this.

I guess the memory might help with visual/texture quality issues, so it is better than nothing, but it is unlikely to mitigate performance loss at higher resolutions the way that a bigger bus would have done.

In reality the 7600 XT might perform alright in the benchmarks, I just don't like the bus/memory config and I would always buy the hypothetical bigger card over this.

Wait what? i don't know if i'm reading that right? There is no difference between the 4060Ti 8GB and 4060Ti 16GB, the bus width is exactly the same for both, the differences in performance you're seeing is down to the 16GB version having 16GB of VRam.

Not having enough VRam can effect the game in many different ways because there are many different ways that game engines and developers deal with it, some produce blurry textures, some missing some textures entirely, like Forza 5, and some reduce the performance because what it cannot fit in VRam it shunts to system memory and with that a portion if not wholey in some cases, like Rust for example, turns your dGPU in to an iGPU, this is why its not always so apparent that your VRam is or is not enough, sometime you don't actually know unless you compare identical GPU's with different amounts of VRam side by side, the 4060Ti 8GB vs 16GB is a good example of this.

 

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I always hated the "8GB is enough" arguments, its the argument of fools and it makes people like Nvidia complaisant selling us over priced under specked junk.

I'm glad those people lost the argument. Because no one wants to go back to the glory days of over priced high end quad core CPU's, even those making those idiotic arguments in those days would never go back to it.

Now the fools have moved on to trying to justify a 30% DLSS tax.....

 

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What I'm saying is that the 4060 Ti 16GB shows a lot less benefit from the RAM in benchmarks (especially when the resolution is pumped up) than I'd have expected it to have (TPU's review says 1% for 1440p and 2% for 4K) and I believe that's a limitation of the clamshell design, which the 7600 XT will also suffer from.

It will help in those things you mentioned, which are often invisible to benchmarks, but the degree it will help performance is less than a card with a bigger bus (or faster memory), which is why I'd prefer the hypothetical 7700 non-XT.

The difference between the 8GB and 16GB 4060Ti is not always going to be there, because surprise surprise some games are fine with 8GB of VRam, and others its visual, like blurry or missing textures, its not performance related.

 

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Ok... this is me with the 2070S.

Forza 5, looks at the road textures imitatively in front of the car, later in the lap look at some of the foliage on the side of the road, they are a weird blue rainbow colour, that's missing textures.

Forza Horizon 5 2022 09 14 14 03 52 03

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Rust...

120Hz no problem, go near the scapyard its 30Hz, that's this the dGPU becoming an iGPU as is shunt textures that cannot fit in VRam to System Ram, later in the video i turn graphics down and my frame rates jump 4 fold, because with lower graphics i have enough VRam.
These are just a couple of examples out of many i can give you, and my card is about 10 or 15% slower than the venilla RX 7600.

3 years ago i had already got to the stage where an 8GB card was out of the question, at any price.

 

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I'm not making an argument about the relative worth of the VRAM (you could have pulled TPU's ray tracing benchmarks for example, to show larger % differences between them), I'm making a point about the design choice, how effective it is and which one I would have preferred to have.

Since we don't have a 4060 Ti on a 256-bit bus, or a 192-bit 7700 non-XT 12GB to compare with, I can only express a personal belief / preference. I would probably buy one of those, but I'm not buying this (unless AMD release an XTX that addresses it, but that seems unlikely ).

Yeah i take your point, what they are doing is taking advantage of ever increasing memory IC speeds and using that to give us ever decreasing bus widths without loosing too much performance vs previous generations.

Both AMD and Nvidia, rather cynically in my view to cut costs rather than passing the performance benefits of faster IC's on to us, the 4060Ti / RX 7600 would be very much faster card's with a 256Bit memory bus, double the bandwidth, this is with 20Gb/s IC's, you know what they will do when the 30Gb/s GDDR7 IC's come out? cut the bus width down even more.

Its a ##### tragedy.

Having said that theres is no point in having fast VRam if there isn't enough of it....

 

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You can see it in action.

My 2070S with 14Gb/s IC's and 256Bit Bus has 448GB/s of bandwidth
The 4070 with 21Gb/s IC's and a 192Bit Bus has 504GB/s of bandwidth.

Ok so it is more, but only through the advancement of the Memory IC's which are not made by Nvidia, with a 256Bit Bus, same as the 2070 and 3070 it would have 756GB/s of bandwidth. Oh.... no that's the preserve of 1000 $+ GPU's right?

 

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Intel Battlemage is going to eat AMDs lunch if they carry on like this at the low end.

Intel needs to concentrate on its own lunch, AMD are eating that...

 

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Same feeling still tbh, if they had no intention of making a faster card just replace the OG and be done with it. I know for now the card runs out of vram before it hits its performance limits but it won't be long before the card hits its performance limit before it runs out of vram.

Texture resolution costs next to nothing is term of performance, but it is the quickest and easiest way to make games look good.

 

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Worthy upgrade over a 6650xt for star citizen at 1080p yay on nay?

No....

 

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Interestingly it now seems AMD have a UK store front back up and running.

So they do and..... yeah, nice.

 

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Most of the Dreamcast and GameCube games are easy to run,until you start adding 4xMSAA and advanced filtering options at 1080p. Try F-Zero GX with it maxed out,it looks beautiful. Fantastic looking game considering it came out in 2003/2004. Puts many modern games to shame imo.

Reminds me a bit of Whipeout.....

Evolution of Wipeout Games (1995 - 2017)

This is the Evolution of Wipeout Games!List:WipeoutWipeout 2097Wipeout 64Wipeout 3Wipeout FusionWipeout PureWipeout PulseWipeout HDWipeout 2048Wipeout Omega ...

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Ah Wipeout, what a game. Thinking back I'm amazed that was playable on an OG Playstation controller!

Yeah it was all fingers and thumbs, like an old-school arcade game, by then 1980's was old-school, dexterity at speed was a must.

I used to love that game, i played the first 2 or 3 versions of it, after that i moved on to PC, the 2017 version looks cool, i'm guessing one would need a PS4 emulator?

 

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Sorry for double reply. Omega collection is Wipeout Pure,Wipeout Pulse (both remastered from PSP) And Wipeout 2048 from PSvita. It's a Mish mash of previous Wipeout games in one Collection,all upgraded, remastered,and fully playable in VR.PS4 Pro supports 4k all at flawless 60fps. Dunno about PS5. I wanna go play it now

Thanks, i'll have a look

 

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Its an interesting choice for me. Would like to upgrade my 5600XT and the 16GB will be good for me using resolve.

That and AI stuff like Stable Diffusion, i can see tech jurnoes now..... "these have no reason to exist, they are stupid" they are sub $300 AI cards, the only ones.... its not stupid at all, its quite clever.

 

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Yes, a 5600XT is equivalent to an RTX 2060.

See here...

AMD Radeon RX 6600 Review - Great for 1080p Gaming

AMD's Radeon RX 6600 is an excellent choice for 1080p Full HD gaming. As our review shows, the red team's latest release has enough power to achieve 60 FPS at maximum details, yet doesn't require much power to do so. It's actually the most energy-efficient graphics card we ever tested, which...

www.techpowerup.com

So you're looking at +37%.

See here... 73 / 100 = 1.37.

AMD Radeon RX 7600 Review - For 1080p Gamers

Today AMD is launching their Radeon RX 7600, which is targeted at gamers with 1080p Full HD screens. Our review confirms that thanks to the new RDNA3 graphics architecture, the new card is highly energy efficient.

www.techpowerup.com

Tho what we have learned from the 4060Ti 16GB is that the extra VRam does make a bigger difference in some games, and its more future proofed than a 8GB equivalent.

 

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Well we’ll see but I have a feeling Intel will shake up the lower end when Battlemage arrives later this year as let’s face it both Nvidia and AMDs low end next gen stuff has been awful.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment.