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RX VEGA - Too shine will need Dev Support
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My other concern is the whole "need Dev support". I believe we have been saying that about every AMD product since Bulldozer was released. Do we have any reason to think that this will be the time the Devs decide to make sizeable changes to the way they work in order to support the minority customer base?
Even if it's the case AMD have never been very good at getting developer support, it's mostly just one those things that gets put out when a product isn't competitive it's like dangling a carrot in front of buyers.
Bulldozer/Piledriver still suck to this day about 6-7 years after being told how much better they'll get when developers multithread more and even AMD admitted it was a poor architecture by getting to work on Ryzen.
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To be fair AMD have come along way in recent years with dev support, they even managed to get some of the Nvidia close partnerships like Bethesda, Now seems Ubi is on board so the list is now growing quite fast. Now they added in Driver support Profiler I honestly feel this is the best time for AMD when it comes to partnership support
EA/Dice
Bethesda
Ubisoft
Square Enix
Oxide Games
And I sure they is more that is some really big names and Games, a far cry from when it used to only be like Dice a couple years ago.
IMO No the majority of Devs wont bother with features that only affect a small portion of the userbase, I'd like to be wrong however but history shows they dont usually.
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They pretty much have done. It just takes time. It's not only through drivers that AMD's older cards are coming to fruition it's down to games using more of the features they have on tap.
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I'm finding it seriously hard to get excited for Vega... 1080 performance but for the price of a ... 1080? Err what?
But long after the hardware is really relevant - games and applications started, by natural progression, to use more cores just in time for the old FX series to have a last gasp against their contemporariness before no longer being relevant, Hawaii based GPUs finally saw some better utilisation as the door is closing on their usefulness. Vega will likely be no different - by the time the industry naturally progresses to where the features are better utilised time will be up for GPUs based on Vega.
AMD keeps doing the same thing and expecting a different result, there is nothing wrong with trying to be forward thinking and push the industry along but you need to be in better lock step with it.
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Raja in one of the recent AMD videos go's onto say Vega is here for next 20 years what does he mean by that? surely I understand 20 years on from now RX vega isn't going to be playing them titles very well so what does he mean?
https://youtu.be/-DpkVnvZ8hc?t=48
"CEO" maths (or senior vice president in this case).
What he is actually implying is that Vega sets the ground work for the next 20 years of GPU progression at AMD.
I don't really see it though - while at its core there are some forward thinking approaches which will carry over the next real iteration of GPU technology, as substrate advances and other technical progression means we can totally rethink how we approach GPUs, is more like 5-7 years away and will be pretty radical - if AMD isn't taking that into account they are going to get very very left behind.
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I’m not sure what you mean buy AMD keep doing the same thing and expect a different result, AMD are behind and doing something different from Nvidia is doing is the correct approach. With GNC AMD have manged to get the industry to moving towards using low level API’s and with Vega they want developers to start using FP32 (apparently). They will never make up ground against Nvidia by playing the same game as them; they’re better off trying to change the game that’s being played.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, when the 1000 series launched, it was just LOADS more performance compared to previous generation. But nothing innovative technology wise?
However AMD with Vega have actually developed some new innovative technology which are quite new to the PC gaming landscape. HBCC, Rapid Packed Math to name just the main ones.
However AMD with Vega have actually developed some new innovative technology which are quite new to the PC gaming landscape. HBCC, Rapid Packed Math to name just the main ones.
http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-1070-features-detailed/
Once again features from either vendor arent always used , PhysX was how many years ago and only in a handful of games
I find it unreal this Raja guy, as in I haven't heard of him until just before this Vega launch. Reading about, most speak of him like some sort of wizard yet I know nearly nothing of him. From most talk he goes as far back as 9700 Pro?
Maybe I simply never payed attention from those years to all this present day stuff but I think I now remember he went to work with Apple years ago?
Reminds me of Formula One.
Maybe I simply never payed attention from those years to all this present day stuff but I think I now remember he went to work with Apple years ago?
Reminds me of Formula One.
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That's software level features. I mean hardware wise the 1000 series are just more performance over previous gen.
It's the first GPU architecture that's compatible with their multi-gpu dies on one interposer (connected with Infinity Fabric). MultiGPU without all the CrossFire or SLI headaches, or devs struggling with explicit multi-adapter in Vulkan / DX12.
Whether they actually release an IF multi-GPU card with VEGA chips is open to question, however. Depends how much they want a pipe cleaner before NAVI, and whether GF can hit Q3 or Q4 '18 for 7nm for NAVI (and more importantly Zen2).
Anyway, I think that's the future he's hinting at. If there is a VEGA IF multiGPU card, I'd imagine it'll use several of the smaller VEGA chip, not 2 of V10.