Ryanair buys 75 737 Max

[nam]

largest order in the world , question is who will be first to fly on the 737 max

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-boeing-737max-ryanair-idUKKBN28D26L

 

[sanaxe1]

So what makes this plane worth the risk to these airlines? How much more efficient is it than the equivalent airbus?

 

[Beer_MonsterUK]

The bought them in a 2 for 1 black friday sale.....No one want to fly on them, given they've killed a fair few hundred people.

 

[Feek]

largest order in the world , question is who will be first to fly on the 737 max

it's been recertified now after eighteen months of works. I'd get on one tomorrow without a second thought.

 

[Werewolf]

So what makes this plane worth the risk to these airlines? How much more efficient is it than the equivalent airbus?

It's not that it's more efficient, it's that it doesn't require much training for the pilots who were certified on the older 737's.

Basically it saved a fair bit in training money for the airlines, as moving to a different airframe requires specific training, as does moving to newer versions of the same airframe which are materially different in the controls or handling, by using the loopholes in the regs Boeing managed to get the FAA to sign off on pilots moving to the new version with just a few hours of classroom familiarisation (IIRC one of the deals boeing signed offered up to a million per pilot if additional training was required).

 

[Kenai]

Everything about this plane has probably been reviewed, re-reviewed and triple checked to such an extent that it's probably about the safest plane you could get on at the moment.

 

[peterwalkley]

The 737 max is the least of your worries when flying with scum air.

 

[Bounce]

yea they're good planes, I'll take two.

 

[4k4uNuNu]

Everything about this plane has probably been reviewed, re-reviewed and triple checked to such an extent that it's probably about the safest plane you could get on at the moment.

Shame it couldn't have been reviewed, re-reviewed and triple checked before plummeting to the ground, huh? (Twice.)

 

[Yaayuh!]

The 737 max is the least of your worries when flying with scum air.

Gotta get them scratch cards tho.

 

[arknor]

Rather fly on conair with cyrus the virus than risk ryanair

 

[Jean-F]

The 737 max is the least of your worries when flying with scum air.

Have to agree with that, I only flew with Ryanair on two round trips, the second time because I thought that surely I was just unlucky the first time, sadly I was wrong.

 

[R.P.L]

it's been recertified now after eighteen months of works. I'd get on one tomorrow without a second thought.

RIP.

It's not that it's more efficient, it's that it doesn't require much training for the pilots who were certified on the older 737's.

Basically it saved a fair bit in training money for the airlines, as moving to a different airframe requires specific training, as does moving to newer versions of the same airframe which are materially different in the controls or handling, by using the loopholes in the regs Boeing managed to get the FAA to sign off on pilots moving to the new version with just a few hours of classroom familiarisation (IIRC one of the deals boeing signed offered up to a million per pilot if additional training was required).

Yeah but unfortunately that meant that the pilots weren't prepared for the new feature where the planes flew themselves into the ground.

 

[Gerard]

question is who will be first to fly on the 737 max

The Test Pilots?

 

[nam]

From what i have read only the FAA have certified this (US regulator who were lapse in the thorough certification or as mentioned in collusion with Boeing). The EASA (European regulator) has yet to approve the 737 Max before it fly's in European airspace , says January 2021 on this report. https://www.easa.europa.eu/newsroom-and-events/press-releases/easa-lays-out-its-proposed-conditions-return-service-boeing-737

 

[Werewolf]

RIP.



Yeah but unfortunately that meant that the pilots weren't prepared for the new feature where the planes flew themselves into the ground.

Yup.

Saving some money on pilot training in regards to a feature that they barely knew about (if at all), that could push the nose down is not a great idea.

I'm still not a fan of the workaround where they've now got both of the atitude sensors in use but no third, just a "disagree" indicator, as IIRC it's been standard since not long after the advent of the electronic controls/assistance in cockpits of passenger aircraft to have any automatic system triplicated specifically so that the automatic system can take action based on the majority verdict whilst giving a warning (I seem to remember that came about due to some nasty crashes).

I've said it many times, but the 737 max seems to have been designed whilst ignoring a lot of very painful lessons from previous crashes in order to save money.

It's probably safe(r) now but i'm not a fan of aircraft where the philosophy of the design/production was to penny pinch and cut corners IIRC there were (not sure if they fixed them) other issues with things that were grandfathered in but wouldn't have met 90's standards otherwise.

 

[Chrisc]

Rather fly on conair with cyrus the virus than risk ryanair

i flew home once with them from a stag do, i was fairly suprised. Wasnt as bad as i was expecting. the bright yellow didnt help the hangover though.

Even though i had an ok-ish experience, they're way down at the bottom of the list of airlines id use.

 

[inferno]

They probably got an amazing deal on them, the 737 is a dinosaur, the whole max saga is a stain on Boeing's record.

 

[explicit4u]

No chance, I'll give it a couple years before setting foot on one.

 

[Malevolence]

The newly recertified 737 Max wouldn't phase me, but there's no way in hell that I'd ever board a plane that has 'Ryanair' on the side.