due to the no hyperthreading in the near future (say 2-3 years) I think it'll be hitting 100% usage like 4 cores are nowwhy not an i5-8600K as that closer in price to a Ryzen 1800x (there only about £5 to £10 difference)
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Ryzen 1800x for gaming or 7600k
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The 8400 by is far the best gaming cpu for the money they have been going as little as £120 recently and don't need good ram or cooling or motherboard to get the most out of them.
Review here
https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-i5-8400-review-the-best-new-gaming-cpu-in-years/
Review here
https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-i5-8400-review-the-best-new-gaming-cpu-in-years/
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Not really, I have a Titan Xp *little p* and I've tested it with an 1800X clocked to 4.10GHz and even at 3440x1440P my GPU utilisation would consistently drop to 70-80%, I swapped out to an 8700K clocked to 5GHz and now GPU utilisation is nigh on 99% all the time, My 1800X is now dedicated to folding and rendering.
What are you talking about? the CPU's are both £170.
For a start if you use a B360 board you cannot overclock the memory, if you use a Z370 board its much more expensive and the 8400 is not overclockable at all.
by comparison an £85 B350 on the Ryzen will overclock the 2600 and the memory.
I have no axe to grind with you, though on this point you are clearly wrong.
1. Imginy said "The 8400 is by far the best gaming cpu for the money..."
2. You reply, "Old review, 2600 is now best." and then link to the TechSpot review
3. The Techspot review more or less backs up what Imginy original stated. It definitely does not state that the "2600 is now best"
Here is another quote from the Techspot review you linked:
I often agree with some of the things you say humbug but on this point you are unequivocally wrong. In my experience it tends to show maturity and unbiased reasoning when somebody actually admits they might be mistaken, rather than jump from point to point in an effort to obfuscate their earlier error.
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Lets stop cherry-picking words out of context then and just go to the 36 game result slide.
The 8400 is faster out of the box, its slower when both are overclocked, the point is you don't need the components they used to overclock the 2600, it can be done on an £85 board.
The locked i5-8400 can also run with BCLK @102.7MHz squeezing an extra 2-3% out of the chip running, 3.9GHz with all 6 cores loaded instead of the stock 3.8GHz, this should allow the i5-8400 to pull ahead of the overclocked Ryzen 2600 with memory @3400MHz in games.
The Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming motherboard can be found online for £80, clocking slower DDR4 modules to 3200MHz @1.35-1.36v on a Intel platform is dead easy, upping the memory clocks on the i5-8400 from 2666MHz to 3200MHz should yield an additional 4% FPS increase in games.
For nothing else but gaming, the i5-8400 wins, for everything else the Ryzen 2600X is the CPU to buy, higher binned silicon, factory overclocked to the max even on a cheap board.
The Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming motherboard can be found online for £80, clocking slower DDR4 modules to 3200MHz @1.35-1.36v on a Intel platform is dead easy, upping the memory clocks on the i5-8400 from 2666MHz to 3200MHz should yield an additional 4% FPS increase in games.
For nothing else but gaming, the i5-8400 wins, for everything else the Ryzen 2600X is the CPU to buy, higher binned silicon, factory overclocked to the max even on a cheap board.
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Just curious but why did they not use the same speed ram on the Intel chip as they did on the AMD ? Having memory that's nearly a whole GHz faster doesn't exactly make the tests even.
Because the memory doesn't overclock on B360 boards, its locked to 2666Mhz.
@mtek 2 or 3% is not enough, the 2600 is still faster.
LOL as if that test is fair
Look at the price of that overclocked Ryzen setup that motherboard alone must cost around £250 compared to about £85 for the B360 motherboard they used with the intel setup
That's irrelevant, i've already said the same overclock can be done on much cheaper £85 boards, its just that B450 board's were not available at the time of this review so they had to use what they had at hand.
This is another difference between Intel and Ryzen, on budget boards Intel lock you out of overclocking and even running fast RAM, on Ryzen Budget boards you can do both, it is what it is and Intel's policy is not AMD's fault.
You want better budget Intel boards and overclockable budget Intel CPU's make Intel hear you instead of complaining the review isn't fair because Ryzen is overclocked and running faster RAM, its like that because it can and the other cannot.
This is why Intel just keep doing what they do because clearly people keep making arguments and excuses for them to keep doing what they are.
One year ago people used to vigorously and ridiculously defend Intel's 4 core mainstream policy arguing "its all any anyone needs"
That's now gone out of the window and why is that?
Overall the minimum frame rates are 8% higher on the 2600, averages 5% higher, the one thing i will concede is on a budget build its not practical to use the 8Pack Ram clocked to 3400Mhz, the 4.2Ghz overclock will do on a £25 cooler and you're going to use the same sort of cooler on the 8400 if you value your ears.
So 16GB of this Team Group RAM is currently £150 and its 3200Mhz, thats only going to make a 5% difference so its still at least as fast as the 8400 in games and much faster in everything else.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...al-channel-kit-black-grey-tlgd-my-09s-tg.html
Look at 2666Mhz Ram, it isn't actually any cheaper than 3200Mhz even without deals.
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OP,OcUK are doing a Ryzen 5 2600 bundle with a free SSD,which is worth considering IMHO:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...-team-group-ram-free-240gb-ssd-bu-01f-am.html
You are saving nearly £50 buying the bundle instead of buying the separate parts.
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OFC,it might be useful to know what games the OP wants to play too.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...-team-group-ram-free-240gb-ssd-bu-01f-am.html
You are saving nearly £50 buying the bundle instead of buying the separate parts.
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OFC,it might be useful to know what games the OP wants to play too.
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That whole system, X370 Gigabyte board, 240GB SSD, 16GB 3000Mhz Ram and the 2600 is £355, the 8700K on its own is currently £360.
Common guys.... if you're on a budget and looking for a full system it doesn't get any better than that, unless you're budget for those components is £300 or less, in which case good luck finding anything let alone anything of that quality, that is a great system.
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Why?
They don't give you 8GB extra RAM for free...........................
Ah, yes i see it now, configured with 16GB cost you £80 more, you only get 8GB for £355
I still think that's a great deal.