Fair enough, but the point I was making is that I see APUs as something to make budget gaming at 1080p more affordable/feasible versus low-end dGPUs, whereas what you're describing I assume is not common knowledge. Not that even with 4400 memory I'm impressed by the APU's progress.
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Ryzen 5 5600G and Ryzen 7 5700G coming in August.
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They are using 8 CU's max, and stuck at the RAM bandwidth of the system. Care to explain how you would have resolved this sooner? Since throwing in more CU's wouldn't do much with out faster RAM, or dedicated GDDR RAM and then it's not an APU anymore, it's a GPU put on the same package as the CPU.
LePhuronn expressed that disappointed people were being unreasonable, or whatever, but I feel meh about nearly 4 years of non-progress. If it's a technical problem makes no difference to my 5600G/5700G "meh" reaction
We have a nearly GT 1030 in a 6/8 core (AMD), or a 720p 'special' in a 10 core (Intel), whoopee, excuse me while I keep my rx 550 that cost £70 in 2017.
Oh I see, you're saying "a 2021 APU can't do something a dGPU could 4 years ago, so there's no progress and therefore meh". 4 years of non-progress, eh? Go look at what integrated graphic could do 4 years ago, look at what it can do now and tell me there's not been any progress.
Absolute, black and white performance comparisons is skewing your thinking. If you're disappointed that an RX550 hasn't been shrunk to 100th its size in 4 years and slapped into a CPU then the disappointment is your own. That's fine, but don't expect it to be shared by many other people.
Absolute, black and white performance comparisons is skewing your thinking. If you're disappointed that an RX550 hasn't been shrunk to 100th its size in 4 years and slapped into a CPU then the disappointment is your own. That's fine, but don't expect it to be shared by many other people.
That's exactly my point though, the 2400G was released in early 2018 and if we look at only the GPU part, it is barely any better than the GPU in the 5600G. In 4 years I would expect budget graphics to at least have mastered 1080p, which they have not. For example: at the high-end, 4K wasn't really feasible until the latest generation, but none of that improvement has been passed down (true for several generations now), either in IGPs or dGPUs. Only Intel have made meaningful improvements to the GPU part, albeit it's still woeful.
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The Ryzen 5 2400G/3400G also were £150 parts IIRC,so looking at the IGP improvements alone,the Ryzen 5 5600G doesn't look so hot in that regard as it will be around the £220 level(if you look at the USD price),especially when the Core i5 11400F/10400F and Ryzen 5 5600X bracket it. However,as a package it looks really nice as a general purpose jack of all trades,master of none part. I think the biggest strength is for media and SFF systems,where it does appear to tick most boxes - also in prebuilt systems,we might get some £400~£500 ones and this would be a good base part.
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This doesn't work anymore as many people on this forum have reported.
Ballistix 3600 is mostly now made with Micron B die, or E die that fails the binning for 4000+ Ballistix max.
Lots of people buying the 3600 kits now cannot get them to 4000 Mhz.
Mostly guaranteed 4000+ only used to happen when 3200 Mhz kits were made with unbinned E die before Crucial realized what they could do.
I think what you mean to say is, you actually need to look at the kit part code you are buying now, since not all of it is 100% E-die. Also it seems to be a somewhat limited change, as every kit of 2x 8GB 3200/3600Mhz RGB (be that red/black or white HS) have all had E-die on them over the last few months. Part of this may be down to a change to higher density chips as well, as they seems to be popping up on the smaller 8GB modules now.
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No the 3600 is using mixed dies, either boosted better end Micron B Die, or E Die that fails the binning for 4000 Mhz Ballistix Max.
After manufacturers release faster products, they bin their chips to select all the better ones to sell for more. Massive overclocks only happen on a reliable scale before tthis starts being done.
In the case of both Samsung B Die and Micron E Die, a while back the 2x16 kits on both only went up to 3200 Mhz. It was over £300 for the B Die ones at CL14, or £150 for the E die at a mere 16CL.
Those are what I bought not knowing anything about them or excepting them to manage anything more than 3600 CL16 overclock. They did that on stock voltage, CL14 1.45v, and all the way to 4200 CL16 on 1.55v.
I was advising people buy these for a while, then everyone that started buying them post 3600 kits and Crucial Ballistix 4000+ being released could no longer hit these numbers on them.
You have to get the cheap ones before they start handpicking and binning the better ones, its not like buying a retail boxed CPU from OCUK while they also sell pre overclocked CPUs as the retailers dont unnox every CPU - Micron and Samsung check all their chips prior to selling them after the higher speeds are released.
When did you get your last kit? I've dozens of sets in the last 6 months, and found very few non-E-die kits. Also I was recommending this RAM waaaaaaayyyyyy back in May 2019 before it was even a thing, so probably have a great deal more exposure to what they've done over the past two years.
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I going based on what people in the memory section on this forum are saying. My kit is old, maybe 18+ months now, when I was also recommending it to everyone.
I carried on recommending the current 3600 kits thinking they were e die too, but lots of people have reported them being (micron) b die now.
I have sent several emails to Crucial asking if they can verify which current part numbers contain e die and they refuse to answer / simply have no clue.
Only just got around to glancing at that (I hate video 'reviews'), and the iGPU is only about 6.5% faster (in an ideal world Vega 8 / Vega 7 should be +1/7th, so 14%).
I guess that is as good as we can expected without a lot of memory tweaking.
While am as disappointed as everyone else that there is no Vega 11 (or RDNA2), there are obviously other bottlenecks.
Would be nice CPU to tweak and put into some kind of NUC like those ASRock DeskMini X300 things (okay 1.9 litres is a bit bigger than most NUCs but it does take two 2.5" drives), the price is a bit too high for me and impulse buying.
Found one interesting thing in their dGPU tests:
The mins for Cyberpunk are better on the 5700G than the 5800X, but that was the only place I found the APU pulling ahead of the CCD CPUs.
Silly of them to sort results by Avg rather than Mins anyhow.
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I would love to see Fallout 4 tested on both! That game is really latency sensitive!Only just got around to glancing at that (I hate video 'reviews'), and the iGPU is only about 6.5% faster (in an ideal world Vega 8 / Vega 7 should be +1/7th, so 14%).
I guess that is as good as we can expected without a lot of memory tweaking.
While am as disappointed as everyone else that there is no Vega 11 (or RDNA2), there are obviously other bottlenecks.
Would be nice CPU to tweak and put into some kind of NUC like those ASRock DeskMini X300 things (okay 1.9 litres is a bit bigger than most NUCs but it does take two 2.5" drives), the price is a bit too high for me and impulse buying.
Found one interesting thing in their dGPU tests:
The mins for Cyberpunk are better on the 5700G than the 5800X, but that was the only place I found the APU pulling ahead of the CCD CPUs.
Silly of them to sort results by Avg rather than Mins anyhow.
Another review here
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-5700g-review
Not sure if I should wait for this and risk not getting one or get an 3600 with an GT 1030.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-5700g-review
Not sure if I should wait for this and risk not getting one or get an 3600 with an GT 1030.
The DDR4 GT 1030’s are super crapola, and the full spec GT1030’s are a lot more money. I’ve ordered GDDR5 versions of the GT 1030 and received DDR4 versions. The performance difference is huge.
Yes, I already have an 1030 DDR5, at the time I was told to avoid the DDR3 models.
I can see them for around £75 which is £10 more than I paid a few years back.
Jebus, Nvidia have a DDR3 equipped cards too?
They did then, not sure if they still do now, looking around I only see DDR5 models.