Sainsburys

Jotun · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:22

trojan698 said:
I'm in the wrong? Hardly. You're analogy is a poor one and you know it. No one to blame? Am I in trouble? Hardly.

Say for instance I had genuinely acquired the vouchers, and thought to myself, "hmm, I've spent £60, I wonder if these compensatory vouchers accumulate" so I continue to enter codes finding to my amazement that they do! Surely then this must mean that it's a legitimate practice? I have no reason to think otherwise as surely there would be a system in place to prevent it. As for free use or "stealing" (as you would have it) of vouchers, well that's a schoolboy error on their part, they should be issuing e-vouchers linked to accounts instead of allowing any old joe to distribute and use them freely.

If you read the confirmation email it says:

You have used X vouchers to the value of GBP XX.XX on this shop. If you have e-vouchers which you would like to use for this order you can still add these - see amending your order below.

which to me implies that using several vouchers is ok.

trojan698 · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:25

another valid point!

Al Vallario · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:34

trojan698 said:
Say for instance I had genuinely acquired the vouchers, and thought to myself, "hmm, I've spent £60, I wonder if these compensatory vouchers accumulate" so I continue to enter codes finding to my amazement that they do! Surely then this must mean that it's a legitimate practice? I have no reason to think otherwise as surely there would be a system in place to prevent it. As for free use or "stealing" (as you would have it) of vouchers, well that's a schoolboy error on their part, they should be issuing e-vouchers linked to accounts instead of allowing any old joe to distribute and use them freely.

"But officer... I was just thinking 'I wonder if I can mug this person and bludgeon him to death' so I did it, and to my amazement it worked! Honest, guv..."

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it is legal or morally acceptable. You know that you didn't acquire the vouchers genuinely, and it wasn't an innocent mistake, so your entire argument is defunct. As a hypothetical situation, granted, someone might be disappointed if they – at a million-to-one chance – discovered the loophole by accident. That's why Sainsbury's are giving those they have contacted the option of coughing up the proper amount or cancelling the order. Like it or lump it, Sainsbury's have done nothing wrong here other than failing to cater for malicious users exploiting their generosity by breaking their T&Cs. I know what my stance on honouring the discounts would be if I were in charge at Sainsbury's...

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dayloon · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:37

Al Vallario said:
"But officer... I was just thinking 'I wonder if I can mug this person and bludgeon him to death' so I did it, and to my amazement it worked! Honest, guv..."

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it is legal or morally acceptable. You know that you didn't acquire the vouchers genuinely, and it wasn't an innocent mistake, so your entire argument is defunct. As a hypothetical situation, granted, someone might be disappointed if they – at a million-to-one chance – discovered the loophole by accident. That's why Sainsbury's are giving those they have contacted the option of coughing up the proper amount or cancelling the order. Like it or lump it, Sainsbury's have done nothing wrong here other than failing to cater for malicious users exploiting their generosity by breaking their T&Cs. I know what my stance on honouring the discounts would be if I were in charge at Sainsbury's...

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What is it with you and the bludgeon analogy ? it's complete rubbish

Al Vallario · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:39

dayloon said:
What is it with you and the bludgeon analogy ? it's complete rubbish

How is my analogy of choice not relevant in countering the assumption that, because something is physically possible, it must supercede all established legal and moral restraints?

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Raikiri · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:45

How exactly did we know we were not supposed to use these, they were simply brought to our attention. Nobody said anything about them not being allowed until the thread got deleted.

subxero · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:46

Mine is coming Friday, as of yet no phonecall.

Worst comes to worst, I cancel the order and never shop at Sainsburys again.

subxero · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:50

I am adament that use and abuse of this system has lead to this and that the whole thing is a PR stunt to encourage people to shop there.

Too many selfish people about.

dayloon · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:52

Al Vallario said:
How is my analogy of choice not relevant in countering the assumption that, because something is physically possible, it must supercede all established legal and moral restraints?

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Get off your high horse. A lot of companies freely allow people to use multiple discount codes. For example, i have an account with lxdirect. On the web i can easily find codes for buy now pay later, 20% off, £15 off etc etc. On various occasions i've used multiple codes to save a fortune while placing orders over the phone to them. They happily accept them and don't care where you've got them from because at the end of the day, they have issued them and verified them. If sainsburys have issued all these codes and they all work together, its their fault ! They were working for 5 days for crying out loud. The management of their online ordering service is obviously appalling. The analogy of bludgeoning somebody to death is weak at best

MikeTimbers · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:52

Why would Sainsburys need a PR stunt at Christmas when every slot is guaranteed to be filled without giving away any vouchers whatsoever?

subxero · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:53

MikeTimbers said:
Why would Sainsburys need a PR stunt at Christmas when every slot is guaranteed to be filled without giving away any vouchers whatsoever?

Isn't that obvious enough?

MikeTimbers · 13 Dec 2006 at 18:59

No. They don't need help to fill slots at Christmas with orders that cost them money! The slots would have been filled with proper orders; instead they're full of orders from people who are only interested in a bargain and will never re-order. This was no PR stunt.

subxero · 13 Dec 2006 at 19:01

It has absolutely nothing to do with delivery slots. The whole reason why retailers give discounts in the first place is to encourage brand loyalty at a time when Sainsburys isn't in the best shape financially. Short term loss for long term gain.

Sam · 13 Dec 2006 at 19:03

Where did these voucher codes come from in the firstplace then ? is there a book you get or do you have to be on there mailing list ?

Sam

Al Vallario · 13 Dec 2006 at 19:09

dayloon said:
*snip*

I'll respond to your post with a collection of quotes I have produced within this thread. A sort of photo reel of fond memories that make me feel warm and fuzzy inside and you, it would seem, would rather forget:

dayloon said:
A lot of companies freely allow people to use multiple discount codes. For example, i have an account with lxdirect. On the web i can easily find codes for buy now pay later, 20% off, £15 off etc etc. On various occasions i've used multiple codes to save a fortune while placing orders over the phone to them. They happily accept them and don't care where you've got them from because at the end of the day, they have issued them and verified them.

Al Vallario said:
You know that you didn't acquire the vouchers genuinely, and it wasn't an innocent mistake, so your entire argument is defunct. As a hypothetical situation, granted, someone might be disappointed if they – at a million-to-one chance – discovered the loophole by accident. That's why Sainsbury's are giving those they have contacted the option of coughing up the proper amount or cancelling the order.

dayloon said:
If sainsburys have issued all these codes and they all work together, its their fault !

Al Vallario said:
Like it or lump it, Sainsbury's have done nothing wrong here other than failing to cater for malicious users exploiting their generosity by breaking their T&Cs.

dayloon said:
They were working for 5 days for crying out loud. The management of their online ordering service is obviously appalling.

Al Vallario said:
"But officier... it was his fault for standing there whilst i stole his wallet and bludgeoned him to death. Honest, guv..."

dayloon said:
The analogy of bludgeoning somebody to death is weak at best

Al Vallario said:
How is my analogy of choice not relevant in countering the assumption that, because something is physically possible, it must supercede all established legal and moral restraints?

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Vanilla · 13 Dec 2006 at 19:10

Not allowing me to get my heavily discounted booze would be a breach of my human rights.

Beansprout · 13 Dec 2006 at 19:14

subxero said:
I am adament that use and abuse of this system has lead to this and that the whole thing is a PR stunt to encourage people to shop there.

Oh dear.

Too many selfish people about

Indeed....

subxero · 13 Dec 2006 at 19:16

The reason I said that was because you just know for a fact that some people have made quite a few deliveries. Just spoils it for everyone.

Mr Joshua · 13 Dec 2006 at 19:22

My order is due to come tomorrow, I didn't go mad on booze just one bottle of vodka and the rest is groceries.

Wyrdo · 13 Dec 2006 at 19:25

SaBBz said:
What happened when he asked them why they hadn't turned up?

I'm not sure if he did ask, he just assumed they weren't going to bother with his order because of the vouchers.