Sainsburys

Al Vallario said:
What's funny about that?

This whole situation has been a misuse of the Internet. People have been making use of the Internet to spread details on how to defraud them by exploiting a loophole in their e-vouchers system. There is no doubt that this loophole wouldn't have caused as much trouble as it did if the Internet was not used to spread information about it.

As for it being Sainsbury's fault, I draw parallels to someone being bludgeoned to death in the street. If they are stood there, and you have the capacity to bludgeon them to death, it must be their fault if you do so, right? If a group of people launch a dDoS attack on the Sainsbury's website, and they were unprepared to deal with such an attack, would it be their fault? Even though they are in the right on both legal and moral grounds, and have done nothing wrong but fail to cater for users who are not in the right on either of these counts? Granted, failing to cater for this particular misuse of their online services was bound to cause a problem eventually, but I refuse to subscribe to the opinion that everyone who took part is in the right, and the whole incident is entirely Sainsbury's fault.

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Because bludgeoning someone to death is akin to using some vouchers online to get some cheaper shopping. :rolleyes:

I expected if the vouchers weren't allowed to be used, the system would have rejected them (or rejected using more than one). But they didn't so I made the order in good faith that I was following the system. There was no way for us to know that multiple vouchers couldn't be used, and no way for us to know that these codes were not to be distributed.
 
Liquid_Entity said:
I tried it, they clocked on, I cancelled. Oh well. Worth a try.

Little gutted I can't drink my 2 litres of Courvoisier over Xmas time. :(
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Good. Because Courvoisier vs / vsop is not a good brandy. :)

I'd go with a Reme Martin VSOP at least.

Saying that though I prefer Armanac
 
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IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT YOUR GROCERY ORDER

Dear XXXXXXXX,

We have noticed that the order you have placed with
us contains multiple voucher discount codes. This
is against the terms and conditions stated on the
actual vouchers and therefore we cannot honour your
order in its current form. We are sorry that you
have been a victim of this online scam. We know
that this will be disappointing for you but the
e-mail that has been circulated with these voucher
codes is not a genuine Sainsbury's e-mail.

As a gesture of goodwill we have decided to honour
one voucher if you would like to proceed with your
order. If this is the case please go onto the
website at www.sainsburys.co.uk and use the
'amend order' option to remove all but ONE voucher.
Please do this by 10pm on Thursday 14th December.

If you have not amended your order by 10pm on
Thursday 14th December we will assume that you do
not want to go ahead with your order and we will
cancel it. We need to act quickly, not least to
ensure that delivery slots are available for many
customers who are trying to book delivery slots
for their Christmas shopping.

If you need further advice please contact our Customer
Contact Centre on 0845 301 2020.

Kind regards

The Sainsbury's Online Team
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Online scam you say hmmmm and there was me thinking is was a fault with the online booking system oh well it was worth a go.
 
SpeedFreak said:
I have 8 bottles of that, one Remy XO somewhere as well.
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Remy XO is very nice, especially with a massive cigar to dip!.... :)

If you like cognac, I suggest you try Brillet Tres Vieille Reserve XO Grande 20 y/o.... it's an Armagnac at £60 a bottle, but it's *so* good.

I'm gonna have to buy another before new year I think!
:)
 
In yesterday's Daily Mail:

Discount scam hits Sainsbury's
Sainsbury's has been caught out in an internet scam after discount vouchers it sent to selected customers were passed on to thousands of others by email.
The email listed codes from the vouchers to activate discounts on the store giant's website and said " Fancy getting £38 off £60 worth of shopping at Sainsbury's? They haven't cottoned on yet, so fill your boots!"
Many have apparantly used the codes to claim 60% off their Christmas shopping but Sainsbury's said it would not honour the discounts, and was considering legal action against those behind the email.
 
Virdi said:
In yesterday's Daily Mail:

Discount scam hits Sainsbury's
Sainsbury's has been caught out in an internet scam after discount vouchers it sent to selected customers were passed on to thousands of others by email.
The email listed codes from the vouchers to activate discounts on the store giant's website and said " Fancy getting £38 off £60 worth of shopping at Sainsbury's? They haven't cottoned on yet, so fill your boots!"
Many have apparantly used the codes to claim 60% off their Christmas shopping but Sainsbury's said it would not honour the discounts, and was considering legal action against those behind the email.
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Legal action? Yeah right! :rolleyes:
 
Virdi said:
In yesterday's Daily Mail:

Discount scam hits Sainsbury's - immigrants to blame
Sainsbury's has been caught out in an internet scam after discount vouchers it sent to selected customers were passed on by no good asylum seekers to thousands of others by email.
The email listed codes from the vouchers to activate discounts on the store giant's website and said " Fancy getting £38 off £60 worth of shopping at Sainsbury's? They haven't cottoned on yet, so fill your boots!"
Many have apparantly used the codes to claim 60% off their Christmas shopping but Sainsbury's said it would not honour the discounts, and was considering legal action against those behind the email. The actions will ruin christmas for many people, thus proving that Muslims are trying to abolish christmas, probably with the help of the EU and/or New Labour.
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Fixed it for you.
 
danmit, found the email from sainsbury's in my gmail junk mail, too late now, i was going to amend my order but now it's cancelled :mad: :(
 
daz said:
Because bludgeoning someone to death is akin to using some vouchers online to get some cheaper shopping. :rolleyes:
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Where did I say the analogy was akin to the matter at hand? I suggest you read over my post again.

daz said:
I expected if the vouchers weren't allowed to be used, the system would have rejected them (or rejected using more than one). But they didn't so I made the order in good faith that I was following the system. There was no way for us to know that multiple vouchers couldn't be used, and no way for us to know that these codes were not to be distributed.
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As I say, read over my post again with a fine toothcomb. Just because something is possible, it is not automatically morally and legally correct. It doesn't matter if they have just posted record quarterly profits or they have hefty profit margins on their products; this whole incident is paramount to theft.

If you had the original vouchers, I'm sure there would be terms detailed on them stating that they are non-transferable and cannot be used multiple times. Similarly, I'm sure if you trawled through the Sainsbury's T&Cs online you would find words to a similar effect regarding vouchers. It's almost like bludgeoning a person to death in the street then claiming your friend knows the law on such matters and told you it was perfectly legal to do so. Ignorance may be bliss, but its not a defence in a court of law.

Edit: Removed accusation, perhaps that wasn't the best way to describe the actions of those who were taken in by the "scam." I apologise if that caused any offence :)

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My friend has just had his order delivered with the discount!

He had the email that other people received and did nothing with it.
 
Al Vallario said:
Where did I say the analogy was akin to the matter at hand? I suggest you read over my post again.
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When you said this
"I draw parallels to someone being bludgeoned to death in the street"

As I say, read over my post again with a fine toothcomb. Just because something is possible, it is not automatically morally and legally correct. You're deliberately defrauding a company. It doesn't matter if they have just posted record quarterly profits or they have hefty profit margins on their products; this whole incident is paramount to theft.
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I used the vouchers in good faith. The system accepted the vouchers without a problem, so it seemed that my good faith was well founded (not withstanding the fact that the OP received his order, so all seemed well and good), until Sainsbury's decided to cancel my order. A good deal, yes, theft - not a chance. Threshers had a notdissimilar offer the other week. To make accusations of fraud against myself and other posters that took up this seemingly good offer is rather serious.

It's almost like bludgeoning a person to death in the street then claiming your friend knows the law on such matters and told you it was perfectly legal to do so. Ignorance may be bliss, but its not a defence in a court of law.
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Again comparisons with bludgeoning innocent people to death. :confused:

It's not about ignorance, it's about acting on good faith that an offer seemed genuine (which was then confirmed by the Sainsbury's website accepting the vouchers).

I also don't know why you're bringing in anything to do with criminal courts here. The matter isn't criminal.

A better analogy, would be seeing something priced up rather keenly in a shop, and the first few people purchasing that item telling others because it was such a good deal. The cashier selling the item didn't know there was a mistake and thus the sale goes through. Two days later, another gentleman enters the shop wanting to buy the same product at the same price, however this time the manager is there. Noticing the mistake, he decides not to sell the item to the latter gentleman. The latter gentleman has not committed any kind of crime, and neither did the others that managed to purchase the item at a discounted price.
 
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That strange :confused:

I just got a phone call from a lady asking me to confirm if i'm delivering to her today. Apparently Sainsburys gave out my name and phone number to her!! :confused:
 
Vanilla said:
That strange :confused:

I just got a phone call from a lady asking me to confirm if i'm delivering to her today. Apparently Sainsburys gave out my name and phone number to her!! :confused:
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Complain, you might get some e-vouchers :D
 
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