Saturday 8th December Boxing! **SPOILERS**

One thing I notice is that English people in general like to back the underdog. When he/she loses (happens a lot), they pat the person on the back and hale for their spirit. Perhaps that is Khan's problem - he wins too much and needs to lose.

Hatton loses - well done, you did us proud.
Khan wins - he's crap.

Lennox Lewis was the world heavyweight champion. He beat Holyfield, Tyson and whoever was around at the time. Yet, many people in this country felt he wasn't all that. Perhaps he should've taken a beating at the hands of Tyson - perhaps thats what the English public wouldve preferred. British winners get criticised far too much, while losers avoid criticism.

This is not restricted to boxing.

As an example, if you look at this year's sports personality of the year, although the right person won (Calzaghe), the man who finished 2nd didnt actually win the F1 World title, though he did do well to finish 2nd in his rookie year. He certainly didnt deserve to be runner up the sports personality of year contest.

Lets hope Mourinho comes and ingrains a winning mentality into the minds of our English footballers. Only a foreigner can do that as an English manager would be far too happy not winning a trophy.

If you look around the world, winners are revered. This encourages sports-people to want to be winners. It pushes them that bit harder/further. In this country if you finish 2nd, thats good enough. In fact, you dont actually want to win, in case you alienate the British public.

The truth is that Hatton was losing in every department. This boxing contest wasnt even close. You have to accept this. The judges scorecards had Hatton beat in almost every round. The knockout was just the icing on the cake. What really counted against him was that he seemed to fighting in a weight division that was not natural to him. That 6" reach that Mayweather had over him didnt help either.

Comments like, "well done" and "you did us proud", dont inspire anyone to become winners.
 
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I think people who just come out and say Khan isnt a good boxer are complete morons.

Khan has been boxing since he was around 8. He boxed for england against some of the best amatures in the world. He beat Kindlan who is a fully developed man and was the best in the world.

Hes boxed and beat Cubans who cannot turn pro. Hes got up off the floor to win in both the pros and the amatures.

He trains with a great team to go 12 rounds even though he only needs to do 8 or 10 rounds.

Hes got amazing talent and just like mayweather just proved, talent can win 9 times out of ten.

Its amazing that some people think Khan just turned pro and is a novice who has never boxed before. When hes boxed for around 13 years, boxed for his country and beat some of the best amatures in the world.

The pro game is different but only in the fact its a longer bout and pros ted to be more experienced. You can question his chin but hesgot the skills to box and move for 10 rounds and not get hit. Hes got the speed, strength and stamina and as soon as hes got the experience what are you going to moan about.

Earl was a world class fighter. Hes proved himselfs for 7 years as a pro. Khan made him look awful. Katcedis couldnt do it and hes world champion. Ricky burns won over 12 rounds against earl so couldnt do what Khan did.

So people just like to complain for the sake of complaining. The keyboard seems to make even casual fans of boxing into experts!

When Warren actually puts him in a fight with a class boxer he will get taken to pieces.
Earls last fight (which i watched from start to finish) was him being used as a punch bag from start to finish, he was slaughtered from the opening bell, his trainer (who Earl fired afterwards) told him to retire as he just wasnt up to it.
He wont learn craft fighting has beens and bums, to much emphasis is put on being "undefeated" and lining his pockets if he doesnt fight quality fighters he wont learn a god damn thing and will come unstuck just like Nasseem Hammed.
 
I think people who just come out and say Khan isnt a good boxer are complete morons.

Khan has been boxing since he was around 8. He boxed for england against some of the best amatures in the world. He beat Kindlan who is a fully developed man and was the best in the world.

Hes boxed and beat Cubans who cannot turn pro. Hes got up off the floor to win in both the pros and the amatures.

He trains with a great team to go 12 rounds even though he only needs to do 8 or 10 rounds.

Hes got amazing talent and just like mayweather just proved, talent can win 9 times out of ten.

Its amazing that some people think Khan just turned pro and is a novice who has never boxed before. When hes boxed for around 13 years, boxed for his country and beat some of the best amatures in the world.

The pro game is different but only in the fact its a longer bout and pros ted to be more experienced. You can question his chin but hesgot the skills to box and move for 10 rounds and not get hit. Hes got the speed, strength and stamina and as soon as hes got the experience what are you going to moan about.

Earl was a world class fighter. Hes proved himselfs for 7 years as a pro. Khan made him look awful. Katcedis couldnt do it and hes world champion. Ricky burns won over 12 rounds against earl so couldnt do what Khan did.

So people just like to complain for the sake of complaining. The keyboard seems to make even casual fans of boxing into experts!

He is talented and hes heading in the right direction but I'm sorry he has fought all unrecognised fighters on the world stage, upto now.

He is quick and seems to have a fair bit of power in his shots but hes been knocked down and dazed by a fighter (Limond) who is renowned to have little to no, knockout power.

At times his movement isnt all that great, and his defence definately isnt.

Just because he is undefeated at the moment, it's still too early to see exactly how good he is. Everyone knows he's fast, but his stamina hasn't really been tested. His boxing skills haven't really been put to the test either. He is definately not as good as all the hype that surrounds him. That's all most people are saying.
 
Hatton will get de la hoya, cotto or moesley

All 3 are far too big for him IMO

Oscar would be huge compared to Hatton, I honestly couldn't see Hatton lasting 12 rounds in that one.

Mosely is too fast and powerful for Hatton, has just as fast hands as Mayweather does and quite possibly hits harder. He is easier to hit though but still would be favourite to win.

The Cotto fight should have been made when they were both at 140, I think Cotto will look for Mayweather now. He has matured into a very good fighter at 147lbs
 
All 3 are far too big for him IMO

Oscar would be huge compared to Hatton, I honestly couldn't see Hatton lasting 12 rounds in that one.

Mosely is too fast and powerful for Hatton, has just as fast hands as Mayweather does and quite possibly hits harder. He is easier to hit though but still would be favourite to win.

The Cotto fight should have been made when they were both at 140, I think Cotto will look for Mayweather now. He has matured into a very good fighter at 147lbs

Read today that De La Hoya would be looking to fight Ricky at 147lbs, which I don't think will happen.

I personally think Cotto is similar in style to Hatton, but boxes better, and perhaps even stronger. Mayweather would still outbox Cotto though, although I would love to see that fight.

I think as you've already mentioned, all the big names that are on the cards for Ricky are above 140lbs, where he's proving to be ineffectual, and at 140 there isn't really anyone of the quality of those mentioned above.
 
De La Hoya very nearly beat Mayweather, Hatton would definitely struggle against him. On the whole, Hatton needs to stay at light welterweight - above that, he is going to struggle. Moving up a weight to fight Mayweather was a costly decision in my opinion. Going up from light welter to a specific welter match means you have relatively weaker punches and get hit for even harder than you're used to.
 
One thing I notice is that English people in general like to back the underdog. When he/she loses (happens a lot), they pat the person on the back and hale for their spirit. Perhaps that is Khan's problem - he wins too much and needs to lose.

Hatton loses - well done, you did us proud.
Khan wins - he's crap.

Lennox Lewis was the world heavyweight champion. He beat Holyfield, Tyson and whoever was around at the time. Yet, many people in this country felt he wasn't all that. Perhaps he should've taken a beating at the hands of Tyson - perhaps thats what the English public wouldve preferred. British winners get criticised far too much, while losers avoid criticism..


People like Hatton because he has a sense of humility I haven't witnessed in a sportsman for as long as I can remember. No excuses no what if's he admitted he got beat by the better fighter. Joking about lucky punches and slipping the public love that. Nice to see a sportman not bleat on about how tough life is or how upsetting it all was.

I've never been a great fan of hatton but that was superb to see both in the post fight interview and Sports POTY.

He just seems happy mixing with normal people. Compare that to todays premiership footballers or an f1 driver.

I dont think people warmed to lewis because he just wasn't all that good, just at the top of his game in a dead division. not his fault but sadly the way it was. Maybe thats lucky for him because if he hadve been at the top of his game 10 years earlier his career wouldve lasted about as long as herbie hides.
 
It's hard for the public to warm to you when you've announced you're leaving the country because the famous life-style is oh-so-hard for you and you'd like to avoid the tax anyway. There's a sense of ivory towerness about that guy.
 
It's hard for the public to warm to you when you've announced you're leaving the country because the famous life-style is oh-so-hard for you and you'd like to avoid the tax anyway. There's a sense of ivory towerness about that guy.

Is this about Lewis Hamilton? Because I think dannyjo22 is actually talking about Lennox Lewis when he says he isn't that good. :)

I'd sort of disagree anyway, while the division was generally poor that doesn't mean that Lewis was. Maybe in another era he would have been outclassed, maybe not but he did at least avenge all his losses which is one of the things that can be expected of a great champion.
 
He is talented and hes heading in the right direction but I'm sorry he has fought all unrecognised fighters on the world stage, upto now.

He is quick and seems to have a fair bit of power in his shots but hes been knocked down and dazed by a fighter (Limond) who is renowned to have little to no, knockout power.

At times his movement isnt all that great, and his defence definately isnt.

Just because he is undefeated at the moment, it's still too early to see exactly how good he is. Everyone knows he's fast, but his stamina hasn't really been tested. His boxing skills haven't really been put to the test either. He is definately not as good as all the hype that surrounds him. That's all most people are saying.


Thats exactly the point. He isnt on the world scale YET!

Hes just turned 21 and is using fights to gain experience. You obviosly cant understand boxing if the think all fighters should fight world ranked boxers soon after they turn pro.

Did hatton - no, did witter - no, did lewis - no, has john murry - no, has carl frotch - no

The pro game is all about building confidence and experience untill your ready for the next step up. Iv got friends turning pro and friends who have turned. All have had talk with promotors who know what their doing (including Warren) and they have roadmaps set out for building exposure and gaining experience.

Boxing is a carrer. Its not for the fans entertainment. Its to make money bottom line. A boxing carrer tends to last till you hit 35 and thats it your done. The good boxers tend to become after dinner speakers the rest who have dedicated their life to boxing dont have to many choices on what to do next so they need to make enough money boxing to be financially sound.

Saying Khan hasnt fought anyone good is pretty ignorant. Hes building his experience and confidence in the same way all pros do (since the late 70's). The only difference is hes doing it on tv cause of the public demand to watch him. Thats a good thing. It means other up and comers get a chance to be shown on the undercard and it means more boxing on mainsteam tv.

Have you ever stepped in the ring? would you think the best thing for your confidence is to box a world class boxer when your still fairly new to the game?

Khan has spent well ver ten years leaning to box for points in the amaturers. He now has to forget what he spent 10 years learning and adapt to the pro game. I can tell you as someone who boxes for points in the amatuers its not easy changing everything you do from stratey, to training times, to routines, to media commitments.

He needs time to adapt. Look at his list of opponants. They are getting better and im sorry you watched earls last fight against a guy who is ranked between 1-3 in the world by the bodies and say he was crap. Well iv watched earl for nearly 7 years. If you judge everyone on the one fight you have seen them them you obviously wont have a clue how good they are.
 
^ so you actually agree with what I say, which was it's still too early to see exactly how good he is.

I have spoken to people who do not watch boxing, but they think amir khan is one of the best fighters in the world, just because his are the only fights they see, and because hes undefeated he must be one of the best in the world. Would you agree with that? You don't do you? So I think you know exactly what I am saying.

We will see how good he is when he is fighting against world class opponents. I'm not saying he hasn't got the potential to go far, he has, but at present, he isn't as good as the hype that surrounds him, fact.
 
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