Poll: Saudi Arabia Grand Prix 2022, Jeddah - Race 2

Rate the 2022 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix out of ten

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Journey said:
Well my 6 retirements due to technical faults was only 50% correct for last race, this race I am predicting 4 for technical and 3 due to bad driving/crashes, for a total of 7. Ferrari are going to clash with RB at least once, resulting in a penalty for one of the drivers of 5s. Putting my crystal ball away now. :p

Not looking good for McLaren, from reading and watching some 'stuff' they don't expect to make any inroads for months, I thought they were doing great last season, it is a shame to see them at the back.
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You're probably not too far off given Red Bull surely are top of the list to be 2 of the retirements as I can't imagine they've had much time in less than a week to fix their fuel issue. I was quite surprised actually that the drivers all seemed to be quite well behaved last weekend but the high speed nature of this circuit is going to be an interesting challenge in these new cars.

It is a shame indeed about McLaren and the biggest shock for me. After the first test I put a fiver on them winning the championship but I'm not sure I shouldn't have put it on them coming bottom of the table!
 
Concrete said:
So given that Red Bull engines seem to have an issue with the fuel pumps failing and that:

A: Its a FIA spec part, so they cant fix the issue with that directly.
B: Fuels are homologated, so they can't change that.

What can they do? If it is vapour lock, carry a whole load of extra fuel around for the race seems like an option, but not an efficient one?
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Carry one or two laps more fuel, or don't do some many runs before the race. Often you get teams going out before the race but rather than lining up on the grid going to the pits.
 
Scam said:
I forgot how much of a cluster**** last year's race was, what with yellow (then red) flags, free pit stops for some, Masi's "offer" for RBR and really the whole race just showing how low MV and RBR would stoop. That aside, as mentioned above the circuit itself is terrifying. I'm not a fan at all. It seems made for drama and crashes and I don't approve of that at all. Get rid, I say.

2021 highlights; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRhhS6BnLSY
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Agreed, this is one race that does make me nervous for the drivers.
 
Scam said:
I forgot how much of a cluster**** last year's race was, what with yellow (then red) flags, free pit stops for some, Masi's "offer" for RBR and really the whole race just showing how low MV and RBR would stoop. That aside, as mentioned above the circuit itself is terrifying. I'm not a fan at all. It seems made for drama and crashes and I don't approve of that at all. Get rid, I say.

2021 highlights; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRhhS6BnLSY
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Totally forgot some of that race! I think because Abu Dhabi happened so soon after!
 
Is a week long enough for merc to get some new parts out? Hopefully they have been working since 2nd testing to find a solution to the bouncing. They should be right up there if they get it sorted
 
utajoker said:
Is a week long enough for merc to get some new parts out? Hopefully they have been working since 2nd testing to find a solution to the bouncing. They should be right up there if they get it sorted
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I know RB use privately hired van drivers to drive parts from the UK to the European races, I guess it keeps costs appropriate, but not sure what other teams do. I suspect it'll be only minor parts they shift further afield so we might not see much change until Italy.
 
https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-red-bull-bahrain-fehler-gefunden-42269/

'Red Bull has apparently found the reasons for the double failure of the season opener at the Bahrain Grand Prix. Motorsport chief advisor Helmut Marko to F1-Insider.com: “To put it simply. A vacuum in the fuel supply system caused the engine to run out of fuel. I think we can solve the problem in Saudi Arabia over the weekend.”

Speculations that Red Bull would have tanked too little fuel and that Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez therefore dropped out shortly before the end of the race in the desert, the Grazer rejects. Marko: "Without giving exact numbers: There was still enough petrol in the tanks of both cars."

The vacuum is not due to a problem from engine partner Honda. Background: The petrol system consists partly of standard parts. Bosch builds the high-pressure fuel pump and fuel lines and Magneti Marelli the so-called primer fuel pump.'
 
utajoker said:
Is a week long enough for merc to get some new parts out? Hopefully they have been working since 2nd testing to find a solution to the bouncing. They should be right up there if they get it sorted
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They’ve said that their speed was a result of too much drag and a lack of parts to fix it.

I doubt they can recover the 0.7s deficit to RB over one lap pace but even if they can recover half of that with a simple update then that’ll give them chance of a podium instead of fighting for p7 and p8.
 
Just been looking at this track to remind myself, can't help thinking most of it is going to be crazy fast with ground effect at speed.

I guess no more riding the kerb like max did last year though. It really feels as though some of it is going to be like eau rouge in the wet, but obviously no elevation change.
Should be fun, I hope fezza can mix it with RB while merc work out how to catch up.
 
Concrete said:
So given that Red Bull engines seem to have an issue with the fuel pumps failing and that:

A: Its a FIA spec part, so they cant fix the issue with that directly.
B: Fuels are homologated, so they can't change that.

What can they do? If it is vapour lock, carry a whole load of extra fuel around for the race seems like an option, but not an efficient one?
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Why are they affected only? Sounds like they've built an incompatibility.
 
jaybee said:
Max's driving was disgusting at this race last year on many counts. Let's hope we don't see a repeat of that as it seemed an exciting track. (copy and paste this statement into half of the F1 threads this year ;) )
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Agreed. Still stunned he didn't get disqualified after it. If there was ever a performance/conduct that warranted it, that was it.
 
I was going to post this in the Bahrain thread, but it's been locked. Mercedes' debrief from the last race is interesting watching:


They seem pretty confident of fixing their problems. On the one hand, they would say that, wouldn't they? But these debriefs have generally been quite open in the past so maybe they're onto something.
 
Watching Drive to Survive reminded me how mental last year's race was. 3 standing starts on a dry race... the brake check... drivers forced to give up positions :eek:

Hoping for a clean race but expecting carnage. Will certainly be interesting to see how the cars handle the kerbs that's for sure.
 
The stupidest bit about last year's race was the negotiation of position adjustments. It was carnage and I'm pretty sure the pre Race chat all predicted it would be. Hopefully they've made it safer and with the new cars allow some close following. But can't see there being loads of overtakes.
 
SoliD said:
Think the softs will be the starting tyre of choice for the whole season based upon mclarens awful first laps last week.
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I wonder how much that was the McLaren being way off the pace and how much it was the conservative tyre choice. Bahrain was always meant to be quite an abrasive circuit, so I can imagine why Pirelli erred on the side of caution with the new tyres.

I guessed they would for the first round of races, but it will be interesting to see if there's more aggressive sets from race four.

Obviously Bahrain was the three hardest tyres (C1, C2, C3) this weekend they will be a step softer (C2, C3, C4) and for Melbourne they've thrown a slight curveball (C2, C3, C5).
 
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