Save the NHS!
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If I go private, I can get alternative opinions, changing providers etc actually makes a difference, whatever level we go to.
Within the NHS, I can change in theory, but in practice, you're still under the same PCT, subject to the same inane rules and pointless petty bureaucracy, and you can never actually escape the system. You can simply try and talk to a slightly different part of it and hope for a different result.
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When did that happen? The railways, when privatised, were never freed from state interference, just turned from a publicly owned state monopoly, to a group of privately owned but state dictated monopolies.
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So in other words to stop politically motivated exploitation of the NHS you should privatise it? Based on nothing more than political motivation?
No, based on the idea that a system controlled by politicans can never be freed from politics.
Not to mention that all the evidence supports a private provision/public accessibility approach (as used by pretty much everywhere else in Europe) as being better for patient care.
Would you rather keep a system that is measurably worse for patient care based on nothing more than political motivation?
What is your experience of poor service from the NHS?
For the 6th or 7th largest economy in the world, it's pretty rubbish. For comparable countries (such as the OECD group), we're decidedly average, verging on poor in some areas such as preventable deaths.
I've covered it elsewhere on the forums, don't really want to go into it again, but it involves continuous failures to treat people I care about until they have suffered unnecessary permanent damage among other things.
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I find this bit funny 'Private companies ripping the NHS off via procurement.'
Because private companies to do it to all civil service departments, so as far as I can see the private sector suckles at the teat of the government trying to run it dry. Just look at the stupid IT systems they tried to put in. They barely got the thing designed before they wanted changes so large that the system was fubared from the word go, the IT companies must have had field day with that one. That was one point where politicians shouldn't have been allowed to go. There is to much interference from them in civil service departments.
To be honest IT projects generally are badly planned from the word go, I think I saw on BBC news its like 3 times more likely to encounter a Black Swan than any other sector.
I have no issue with how they organize the Health service as long as the service is at least as good as it now and the service is still universal. Not sure how I stand on non UK based patients though.
Because private companies to do it to all civil service departments, so as far as I can see the private sector suckles at the teat of the government trying to run it dry. Just look at the stupid IT systems they tried to put in. They barely got the thing designed before they wanted changes so large that the system was fubared from the word go, the IT companies must have had field day with that one. That was one point where politicians shouldn't have been allowed to go. There is to much interference from them in civil service departments.
To be honest IT projects generally are badly planned from the word go, I think I saw on BBC news its like 3 times more likely to encounter a Black Swan than any other sector.
I have no issue with how they organize the Health service as long as the service is at least as good as it now and the service is still universal. Not sure how I stand on non UK based patients though.
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It isn't one example, it's several, in several different areas of the country.
Hang on, you pulled up two serving Police Officers for talking about their experiences of their job, yet you cite "experiences" as some sort of indication of what you experienced being the norm!
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And a system controlled by corporations can never be freed from profit. The difference between politics and profit is that one of them could, potentially, lead to a better service.
Actually, you asked what my experience was. At no point have I suggested that my experience is grounds for change.
For evidence of poor standards within the NHS, I much prefer looking at patient outcome data, which do just happen to tie in along the same lines as my experiences.
And we all know have statistics can be manipulated.
Are you suggesting the OECD et al manipulate the statistics? Do you have any evidence?
If you want an example of manipulated statistics, ask yourself why 'waiting lists' reduced but average time to treat went up over the last 15 years...
I still don't understand how a private company providing a service and making a profit can do it for less than the NHS can do it for itself at cost. Surely it has a near monopoly on purchasing equipment and drugs and it can all but name it's price to companies selling to it.
Either the NHS is entirely broken and needs to be totally ripped apart analysed and put back together again, or it's working perfectly fine and can do all this itself without lining shareholders pockets.
Either the NHS is entirely broken and needs to be totally ripped apart analysed and put back together again, or it's working perfectly fine and can do all this itself without lining shareholders pockets.