What evidence do you have they are not manipulated?
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What evidence do you have they are not manipulated?
Because the public sector can't be fixed until the vested interests are dealt with, and it would be a waste of time trying.
What's really scary is that somehow the staff have fallen for the idea that things like national pay bargaining are in their interests...
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It must be so hard knowing how to fix everything thats wrong with this country yet... just sitting on the internet moaning about it.
Why don't you stand for election and make a difference Dolph? You obviously feel hugely confident you do have all the answers - and maybe you do - in which case you are currently wasting your talent when you could be putting it to good use arguing these points with the people who have the power not with us.
Why don't you stand for election and make a difference Dolph? You obviously feel hugely confident you do have all the answers - and maybe you do - in which case you are currently wasting your talent when you could be putting it to good use arguing these points with the people who have the power not with us.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
The point is, its worse in the NHS than anywhere else. Anything "medical" is an excuse to jack the prices even higher.
This is the problem.
Changing the focus from politics to profit is not focusing on what is best for patients. It's moving from what is best for politicians to what is best for shareholders.
Although having poorer people die because they can't afford healthcare would do a great deal to reduce the total cost of healthcare. It's efficient. It's not nice, but it is efficient.
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Its pretty simple, country keeps spending at same levels, country goes into massive recession, country can't borrow money anymore as no one will lend it, the "current" NHS, stops, flat out, we can't afford any of it at all.
Another option is privatise it, put in a healthy regulation system, make it easy to switch plans without being penalised financially, and put in better starting provisions for dealing with things like pre-existing conditions and esesntially make "HMO" style opterationg illegal.
Some healthcare will improve, some will get worse, the option for better treatment is always there for anyone, sure some won't be able to afford it, MORE would be able to afford it than can now. The country saves billions upon billions a year(largely just in people who actually wait a cold/flu out rather than waste everyones time with it, sprained ankles, basic crap that simply needs a bit of rest that people waste FREE services with), the country doesn't go into a massive recession, and we can afford to, you know, keep the country going.
A ridiculous number of people I know have had crappy treatment on the NHS, I've had years and years of absolutely awful treatment by the NHS, and it is getting worse constantly.
lol at the tory fan boys aka dolph
the tories hate the NHS they hate the fact poor and rich get the same healthcare, they want private healthcare because their big city fat cat mates at bupa et al all donate to the party, so this is their way of paying it forward to fat cat healthcare providers.
tory nhs = dying on a trolly circa 1991 all over again
the tories hate the NHS they hate the fact poor and rich get the same healthcare, they want private healthcare because their big city fat cat mates at bupa et al all donate to the party, so this is their way of paying it forward to fat cat healthcare providers.
tory nhs = dying on a trolly circa 1991 all over again
[TW]Fox;19956669 said:
Well, firstly you don't know what my activities off the forums are, it's entirely possible to do more than just moan on the internet, without stopping moaning on the internet.
I've also highlighted the problems with politics before, they aren't based on what is right, they are based on what is popular. If I wanted to hold a populist position in the UK, I'd support maintaining the status quo in the NHS because, to the electorate, it's like some kind of sacred cow where rationality, evidence and so on goes out of the window, especially when stoked up by other politicians more concerned with their popularity than reforming the NHS so less people die.
The challenge is changing the perception of people who aren't behaving rationally, it's nearly impossible to rationalise someone out of a position that they didn't reach rationally in the first place, and that's the big problem with politicising services, the driving forces behind change become all muddled, confused and irrational, because the electorate is muddled, confused and irrational.
The labour system of spending 3 times more so you can still die but in a room is somehow better?
True to a point, especially as the proposed reforms do not devolve power down low enough.
Where has anyone suggested the system changing from free at point of use?
Of course it's better. I can't believe you'd suggest otherwise. Labour might have spent three times more on healthcare but so did every other developed nation. The results achieved might not have been spectacular but look at the effect of a freeze in spending now - waiting times increasing, operations cancelled, people suffering in the mean time.
Average time to treat increased under Labour, because they cut headline waiting lists by making people with urgent conditions wait longer, and people with minor conditions wait less time. In other words, they spread the suffering around based on politics as opposed to clinical need rather than reducing it.
Personally, I'd rather be looking at a system with better clinical outcomes, rather than just an alternative place to die a preventable death.
Then we need to listen to the clinical leads, not the accountants and bureaucrats.
So increase spending on the NHS to at least OECD average then.
Working as a contractor for the NHS I can see where the money gets wasted.
but this appears to address none of it. Because most of the problem with the budget and it being a cash cow is down to suppliers treating it as a cash cow and making prices up as they go along, and the NHS accepting them because its not their money they are spending.
The NHS' problem is not that it needs more money.
but this appears to address none of it. Because most of the problem with the budget and it being a cash cow is down to suppliers treating it as a cash cow and making prices up as they go along, and the NHS accepting them because its not their money they are spending.
The NHS' problem is not that it needs more money.