Saving Sessions / Demand reduction thread

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I'm not sure how much effort can really be required?
All the things I did (bar using a fan heater instead of GFCH) I would have done anyway at a different time.

With current pricing and 1 hour sessions its basically half the value of the octopus points. Or the other way of you spent £10 you got £20 back.
Its only longer sessions or ones where they change the reward rate that the equation deviates.

Unless we get a heavy cold snap I am not convinced we will see any more. Maybe 1 in March. I think technically there is a minimum of 1 per month for the 6 months.
 
Bug One said:
The difference between using energy at peak rate and overnight is quite significant. 18p vs 47p. I used £14 electric that day, compared to around £5 usually. Gas was down on normal as a result of heating using electric.

I expect I'm about £5 better off as a result, all things considered. Plus I've got nice clean ovens. :p
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even more significant for me. 7.5p vs 40p. I am still getting paid 80p for the units used however so ...

Can't be only £5 better off for £18.7 worth. More like £10 I would expect.
But your not getting rich off it :)

Actually you said it yourself Daily £14 les normal = £9 extra.
£18.7 - £9 = £10 give or take a smidge ;)
 
Annoyingly that turned up as I was leaving for holiday almost 2 weeks ago so despite bringing it to many peoples attention on here I couldnt do it. Grrrr.
Why is everything so last minute now a days :(

Managed to use a bit today despite being out. I force discharged my batteries upto 2pm and mainly emptied them with most just diverted into the hot water.
Mean't I sucked in some juice from 2:30 and also the dishwasher came on an 3pm, luckily i forgot to put it on overnight
Won't be that much, a tenner at max I think, but I passed £100 in Feb so I won't complain. (I also missed the one last week when away of course!)
 
john_smith said:
Fingers crossed….


We crunched the numbers and seen you’ve taken part in every single Saving Session. Your dedication shouldn’t (and won’t!) go unnoticed.


You’ve been entered into one last Saving Sessions prize draw - reserved only for our highest streakers - with the chance to win 1 grand mystery box brimming with £2,000 worth of smart tech and goodies, 8 mini mystery boxes worth over £600 each, as well as 100 bespoke ‘No Coal Crew’ Saving Sessions t-shirts.
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Thats a ****** I only missed one and that was because I was away.
I could have signed up but didn't as it would have been pointless.
 
Simon said:
Tbh everyone doing it using as little as possible in the hours that mattered
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Yes and no
The problem is many will be load shifting out of potentially better times for the grid to be loaded into that 3 hour window.
Eg I didnt put my dishwasher on over night a couple of times and ran it during that three hour window. So I shifted irrelevant (to the savings session) load into that window and used my normal basically zero amount during the savings session window, because I have solar and batteries I can esaily make sure i dont use any in a savings session window.

It was flawed for me for a few reasons -
This load shifting mentioned
People who are very low usage in the savings session window already (people like me) would not be rewarded yet we are permanently load switching out of that time, it would be worse were we not
People who switch off lots before they go out get penalised as their in day window will have lower usage than normal and they get penalised for that even if lowering their usage in the saving session window
 
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danlightbulb said:
As soon as the scheme was announced a bunch of us on here identified these same things immediately. What boffins came up with the scheme in the first place, it clearly would be open to these issues anyone with half a brain could see it.

No wonder country is in a mess when people in charge come up with such dumb ideas.
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Its not that they came up with it for this purpose, its the formula used already for the generation side already and has been for some time.
What they did was assume it was fine for the consumer side.

And in reality its not that terrible, sure it could be better but most will have some issue or opportunity its very hard to cover all the bases of opportunity to game it.
 
casper_uk said:
Octopus are working on a white paper (or may have released it by now) regarding the saving sessions. The figures mentioned are £400 million paid to the coal stations to stay on standby vs £100 million to customers via saving sessions for the same affect via reduced demand.

Found it:

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Cancel Coal-ture: Octopus Energy calls on National Grid to “pay customers not coal”

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Yes its bloody daft, there is loads of capacity available via savings sessions.
Hell they could even specifically gets us with batteries to dump when needed if they just paid fairly!

My suspicion is the grid don't want to see that coal go yet.
 
Some data for 23/24 is starting to become available

They are running again.

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Demand Flexibility Service (DFS) | National Energy System Operator

The Demand Flexibility Service (DFS) was introduced in winter (22/23) to access additional flexibility typically over winter peak days when national demand is at its highest.
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Edit, some will be very sad
- Removed the domestic in-day baseline adjustment to mitigate peverse incetives
 
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What I hope they do do is actually harness the ability for people with storage to send to the grid.
It was a massive obvious hole in last seasons process.

They are getting £3000 per mWh for the test sessions. So they could pay £3 per kWh exported.
I would be more than happy to use the grid during the day and be able to export at £3 per kWh during the sessions. ;)
 
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