Saw 2 cars with their lights on today at 1pm...

Conanius said:
My Mk2 Fabia has DRL's that just come on regardless. There is no way to turn them off.... without removing a relay panel and turning a switch with a screwdriver...
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I meant if supposedly you can't turn off drls on anything 2011 onwards, how am I able to switch them off on my 2012 car?
 
daz87uk said:
No I don't go looking into oncoming traffic at night. I just ment in the day if you look across at oncoming traffic (for what ever reason), having lights on makes it a lot harder to look at the car and I feel its a unnecessary distraction. If you can't see a car in the day then you shouldn't be driving. I put my side lights / dip on if it starts to go overcast and rainy and put my lights on when the light starts fading like everyone else.
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Except cars with DRL, or Volvo's (since ages), or Saabs, and about half the cars on the road (well in NL's case), or all the cars in countries like the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia.

The difference may be insignificant, but still:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/safety/publications/2003/Cons_Lights.aspx said:
There is a substantial body of evidence which shows that DRL reduce daytime crashes. However, there is considerable variation in the size of the reduction reported in different studies.
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Therefore I see no reason why you would NOT run dipped beams or DRL during day. Glare annoying ? I can't imagine it being that during daytime unless someone has messed up dipped beams or running full beams.
 
Muffin` said:
3 points a light IIRC.
Also there's a petition running to have people who use (fog lights) during wet weather to be taken outside and shot in front of their families.
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As stated by someone above, many new cars, due to universal design, have DLRs in fogs. In entire VAG range, for example, most of the cars use fogs for fog/cornering and DLRs at different brightness (DLR is 60% of power or something like that). Entire Octavia range is like that and only one model - Octavia VRS have dedicated LED DLRs.

Jay794 said:
Day runners are fine, what really annoys me is people driving with their lights on during the day, obviously if the weather calls for it then its not a probelm, but you don't need anything more than your side lights on when it's sunny, so why the hell do people feel the need to drive with their fog lights or even worse main beams, at 1pm!? when it's bright sunshine outside.

Annoying!
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Many cars that don't have dimmable fog lights by design use dipped beam for DLR. Many Vauxhalls have DLRs wired like that, switching DLR on at factory results in dipped beam running at lower voltage, there was even some sort of Top Gear joke about it in last season IIRC.

With time we are going to see more and more of it, as it's obligatory feature now for all new cars.
 
Conscript said:
Don't really understand all the fuss about DRLs and forcing new vehicles to have them installed. Why not just hardwire the sidelights to be on all the time, then encourage drivers of older vehicles to turn them on whenever they are driving?
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At least with LED ones, you don't need to worry about bulbs burning out.
 
Minxy said:
I meant if supposedly you can't turn off drls on anything 2011 onwards, how am I able to switch them off on my 2012 car?
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My vague understanding of the legislation is it must be fitted to all cars going in for type approval since Feb 2011 not brand new cars of existing models. So in essence it is an option on your car not a legal requirement.
 
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v0n said:
As stated by someone above, many new cars, due to universal design, have DLRs in fogs. In entire VAG range, for example, most of the cars use fogs for fog/cornering and DLRs at different brightness (DLR is 60% of power or something like that). Entire Octavia range is like that and only one model - Octavia VRS have dedicated LED DLRs.
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I'm talking about people who actively turn on their fogs! :mad:
 
Can I just clarify something with regards DRL's. They are required on all new vehicles that required Type Approval after February 2012. As long as the vehicle in question was in production prior to this date DRL's are not required and if fitted can be disabled.
This is the same for "facelifts" as a facelift vehicle does not require new Type Approval.

So once we see brand new cars from manufacturers they will be fitted with DRL's and you will not be able to switch them off.
 
snowdog said:
The difference may be insignificant, but still:

Originally Posted by http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/safety/publications/2003/Cons_Lights.aspx
There is a substantial body of evidence which shows that DRL reduce daytime crashes. However, there is considerable variation in the size of the reduction reported in different studies.
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Therefore I see no reason why you would NOT run dipped beams or DRL during day. Glare annoying ? I can't imagine it being that during daytime unless someone has messed up dipped beams or running full beams.
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For every "expert" that says DRL reduce accidents the is another one who says they increase them, its just one of those things, some countries buy into it, some don't, the UK didn't but then the EU did.
 
The LOL for me was when VAG introduced their LED DRLs and then realised no one could see you indicating because the DRL was in the same light unit as the indicator. The DRL now dims when the indicator is on.

Design fail :p
 
Super annoying pet hate: VW cars that illuminate the foglight when turning. Really irritating when approaching a roundabout and somebody in a Golf comes off with one foglight turning on and off. Just... why?
 
Lucero said:
The LOL for me was when VAG introduced their LED DRLs and then realised no one could see you indicating because the DRL was in the same light unit as the indicator. The DRL now dims when the indicator is on.

Design fail :p
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More design than fail? There are new Mercs that do exactly the same thing which I've noticed when they indicate as well as some Audis where the DRL dims as the indicator is used.
 
[TW]Fox;21555016 said:
Super annoying pet hate: VW cars that illuminate the foglight when turning. Really irritating when approaching a roundabout and somebody in a Golf comes off with one foglight turning on and off. Just... why?
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I've always thought this was completely pointless, isn't that what indicators are for?
 
I've noticed this with the indicators in rear clusters more so than the front headlights, i.e. stupidly bright brake lights and a little indicator bulb flashing away inside that you can barely notice, aka mk5 Golf.

Oh and I've yet to see any implementation of DRLs that isn't just turning on the sidelights that looks good. Audi, Merc, Skoda etc, those LED strips all look absolutely, utterly dire. Ugh.
 
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