Scams and Cons

Streetwise, yet unable to tell a scamming **** to jog and even hands over money willingly despite knowing its a scam....

You only have your self to blame, what do you think this thread will achieve? You were a mug to hand over money so don't expect sympathy and throw your toys out of the pram when you don't get it.

Or OP is a Troll, in which case, bravo.
 
I've been jumped outside the local train station on a couple of occasions by Eastern European sounding women, they come running over to you crying (crocodile tears) and claiming to need £15 or so for the fare to get home (Manchester etc).

I usually ignore beggars, charity chuggers and other people who try to stop you in the street for some reason other than simply asking for directions... However the people coming out with the: 'scuse me govner ave you got (insert random amount) I could ave for me bus/train home'... really can GTFO...

'you should get an oyster card mate' 'try walking, looks like you'd need the exercise', 'should have bought a return ticket - how were you planning on getting home'

the 'I need a ticket home' and the scum who get on train carriages and reel off a well rehearsed sob story speech about needing to collect some money to get a bed in a hostel for the night really are irritating and frankly deserve to be called out and/or abused.
 
Forgive me but... why are you so absolutely certain she wasn't genuine? Seems like you have no evidence.

Either way, all it shows is that people are willing to pay others to make someone go away without causing a scene.

perhaps because dodgy women in headscarves with badly photocopied sheets of paper aren't typical charity chuggers... not to mention filling out paper work for making a cash donation in the street is bizarre... usually a container, bucket is used for accepting cash... genuine chuggers with clipboards requiring paper work to be filled out are soliciting regular direct debit payments. Scammer in this case seems to be like a cargo cult charity chugger....
 
Streetwise, yet unable to tell a scamming **** to jog and even hands over money willingly despite knowing its a scam....

You only have your self to blame, what do you think this thread will achieve? You were a mug to hand over money so don't expect sympathy and throw your toys out of the pram when you don't get it.

Or OP is a Troll, in which case, bravo.


Eh? When I have asked for any kind of sympathy? I freely admitted my error, accepted blame and stated the intention of the thread was to hear about any other scams or cons all my in opening post.

The only hostility I've shown has been in retort to outright insults offering no insight to the topic and I'll continue to do so.

Anyway, being as London seems to be turning into an international hub of beggars and scammers, refusing them on a daily basis is just a fact of life - and I'm well seasoned in dealing with them, it's just this particular one somehow got me when I was preoccupied and distracted.

So I'll restate, the purpose of this topic is to hear about and cons and scams, exactly like I specified in the opening post.

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Well i would say to not dwell on the matter. Sure you might give £5 every once in a while to real or fake charities/beggars its not the end of the world.

Abroad there was once a 12 year old looking girl or maybe younger carrying a baby begging for money at night.

From what my uncle tells me, they (gypsies) drive around in vans, drop them off to beg, and pick them back up later.
 
Well i would say to not dwell on the matter. Sure you might give £5 every once in a while to real or fake charities/beggars its not the end of the world.

Abroad there was once a 12 year old looking girl or maybe younger carrying a baby begging for money at night.

From what my uncle tells me, they (gypsies) drive around in vans, drop them off to beg, and pick them back up later.



Wise words, but the money is irrelevant so I'm not dwelling on it, but rather the paucity of morality. Also I've seen most of the various baby scams, etc, they're quite common on London transport. I haven't bought a Big Issue since around 2008 either due to how it's been corrupted and appropriated as fraudulent access to UK benefits.

It's strongly rumored that the babies and young kids are often fed booze or drugs to make them more compliant begging accessories too, so you can get an idea of what levels they'll stoop to.

Also throwing a baby at a tourist to distract them to make them an easier pickpocket target is one I read about happening a lot in Rome and Paris - thankfully I've never witnessed it in person.

However it has the be said that the lady that scammed me was not your typical beggar, she was well dressed, decently attractive, even demure, and clearly capable of a lot more than some common street scam if she'd had different opportunities.

Anyway fellow posters, keep the scam stories coming, and any insults too from all the oh so tough guy keyboard warriors we seem to have here, because you can be damn sure you'll be getting them back with full interest from me, with enjoyment and a smile on my face.

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The O/P reminded me of something concerning scams...

I came into contact with a guy that asked for a lift to the other end of town - this happened because the lady I was dating worked in sheltered housing project for vulnerable women. I said 'okay' just to be civil but mostly because the lady was present... Upon entering the car the guy said 'I have just one bag I need to take with me' I said 'okay', 'It's my homeless blagging bag' he added, I was indifferent and carried on with starting the car...'I have two blankets to cover my legs and a settee cushion for my arse....'. He continued 'I just say "can you spare any change" and people give me money' 'then I say "thankyou" hehehe' he waves his hand in a mocking fashion. His laugh was a sinister toothless grin accompanied with a chest infection type ruckle that made me wince..... and thats when I had to open the car windows, not because of the risk of infection but because the smell that was emmanating from him was suffocating and I can honestly say I was close to vomiting, I had to close off my nose and breath only through my mouth throughout the journey.
Anyway, back to scamming - it turns out that this guy was infact not homeless, he was living with a women who had qualified for 'sheltered housing' due to domestic violence (the same place my date was working). Now this guy was not only ripping off the taxpayer with benefits because he was earning/begging and not paying tax he also was living rent free with his girl friend and 'BLAGGING' the tax payers for more (of their hard earned money). He openly confessed that he earned £50-60 in 3-4 hours selling 'The Big Issue' ALONE and much more from the generosity of strangers.
Now that was striking news to me - this fella was earning more money than the national average by scamming the public on the street and then able to claim benefits paid by the public purse and then live in the same residence of a women that was being looked after by the taxpayer.

I just wonder sometimes about how much money is ACTUALLY NEEDED versus the amount that is ACTUALLY TAKEN. This country is awash with benefit scams and a whole lot more.

I would never wish to be in that persons position - he was hooked on drugs and booze just like his girl friend they were unable to keep clean and look after themselves. But there has to come a point when people wake up and realise that ALL THE MONEY THAT THEY GET IS BEING SPENT ON THE VERY THING THAT IS HARMING THEM AND MAKING THEM UNABLE TO RE-ENTER SOCIETY.

Scam 1 - don't give money to beggars
Scam 2 - don't give benefits 'in cash' to addicts
Scam 3 - don't let men live with women in sheltered housing (how ****ing obvious is that!)

Regards

Scotty
 
Some stuff from my blog when I went travelling. I am so much wiser now. TLDR is at the bottom.

On day 2 in China, Craig and I decided to check out Wangfujing Street, part of Jinbao Street. Here we could find the famous night market and general souvenir tat you’d see in any big city. The market opens at 17:30, we left at 15:30 so we had some time to kill. As we were making a slow walk along a main street, we were approached by two late teens, Uni looking students. They asked us if we were from England, we said yes and complimented them on how well they spoke English. They said they had studied at Uni and were now concentrating on art. They happened to be going to their art exhibition they had going that day and wondered if we wanted to take a look. Knowing we still had 2 hours before the market opened, we decided to take a look at their art work. They lead us a little further and eventually into a building which could easily pass for an exhibition. Security guard at the door, travel agencies and so on. It looked legit. We got into the room where dozens of pieces of artwork were displayed, typical Chinese hanging art, the stuff glued to bamboo and stuck to silk. They told us how they had to go on location during 4 different seasons to get the best shots of the place which happened to be the Great Wall, and some waterfall. Craig and I thought they would be great gifts for someone at home considering we had met the artists (each had their own ‘unique stamp’) and they had told us all about the paintings. They were also just small enough to fit into our backpacks.

We paid 100yuan each, about £10 or so. As I handed over the money he gave it straight to the guy sitting at his computer, they said all money they make from the exhibition had to go to their teacher/tutor…

I became suspicious but not enough to question it yet. Before we left he helped arrange a Great Wall tour for us (which turned out to be amazing and at a discounted rate, but that’s another story) at a ‘student’ discount. As he got his ‘student’ card out I noticed the name on it was western (something like Terry, easier for tourists to pronounce I guess) and he had the heading ‘TRANSLATOR’ so clearly it wasn’t his student card, but a business card. He assured us it was a student card. Again alarm bells started ringing, but very faintly…

We said goodbye and left. As we got out I looked at the building and said to Craig, “it doesn’t look very studenty does it?” we carried on and found the market. As we were browsing we came across a guy selling paintings. “150 yuan!” he shouted to us. We quickly looked at his stuff just out of interest, and in the corner spotted the same painting we had just bought from the students…I had that horrible sinking feeling along with butterflies in my stomach, had we just been scammed!? I thought we were brighter than that. Quickly we found a quiet spot and opened up the rolled up painting and quickly discovered they had been legitimately painted, but onto a printing, rushed and inaccurate.

We headed straight back to the ‘exhibition’ and luckily found the two fools standing by the entrance of the lift. Not wanting to cause a stir I told them we were very sorry but we were disappointed to find exactly the same paintings in the market. They refunded us straight away.

I think we were extremely lucky that they had decided to stick around for a while, any later and we would have never found them again.

A lucky escape.

Happy we had our money back we relaxed a bit and continued back to the market, determined to try scorpion or some other weird insect on a stick! As we were walking we were approached by two attractive girls, about our age. They asked us if we spoke English, where we were from and where we were going etc, and eventually offered to show us around the market. Great we thought, some locals to show us around. They told us about traditions of the market, what’s good to eat, what’s not and even bought some scorpion for us to sample. After a while they asked if we wanted to get a drink with them, who wouldn’t?

Just down the road we came across a quiet café/bar and said we’ll just have 1 beer as we haven’t got that much money to spend. Although 4 euros isn’t much for a beer in England, it’s pretty expensive here. After getting to know them a bit better, snacks were brought through and we chatted a bit more. “More beer they asked?” “No thanks” we said. After 20 minutes or so (they had ordered themselves a few juices in between, no more alcohol for them after they had had only 1 beer, they weren’t on a budget, odd?) they asked if we’d like to try a pot of Jasmine tea. Craig and I hadn’t sampled that particular tradition yet, and how expensive could a pot of tea shared between 4 people be? So we said yeah, why not.
After a bit more chatting they expressed their interest in Karaoke and how well they could sing. Come and watch they said. So we were lead off to a Karaoke room where after we refused red wine, they sung song after song, always wanting us to join in. Craig and I looked at each other as I signalled the money sign to him, we both knew we were in the middle of some sort of scam. I suppose we had subconsciously known all along by refusing the drinks. We just didn’t know how to walk away once we had been roped in.
We made some excuse about needing to get back to our hotel, and would like to pay up. “would you like to go for dinner later then?” they asked. Nope. We wanted to see what this little adventure had cost us. For a pot of tea, 4 beers, 2 juices, 2 “snacks” (peanuts) and the use of the Karaoke machine (which was never explained to us) the total came to 1400 yuan, about £155…this was over about 30 minutes or so. That would mean mine and Craig’s beers cost us £38.75 each!
Knowing it was a scam thoughts came into my head like, will they lock the door and not let us out, who are they calling every time they got their mobiles out, and will there be 5 guys with baseball bats waiting to ‘escort’ us to an ATM? We got into a slightly heated conversation about how it wasn’t explained that every single item brought through had an extortionate price attached to it. Eventually I started getting up and looking as though I was leaving after explaining this isn’t what we agreed to. We settled on paying 100yuan between us. About 15yuan more than we had originally wanted to pay for the 1 beer, so we were only out of pocket 1 euro or so.
We handed over the cash and hastily made our getaway, noticing the two guys sitting just inside the doorway dressed in all black leathers.

After this scam had happened and we’re luckily talked our way out of a 1400yuan bill, we have been approached again by 3 or 4 more women. Some on their own, some in pairs. All start out with the phrase “where you from?” – a little bit more streetwise we ignored their approaches.

As I write this I feel a bit stupid, it seems so obvious on paper. But when you’re out there, on your second day in a strange country, it’s very easy to get sucked into.

After reading up on the internet, both of these are very common scams, something Craig and I didn’t do any research on. The only reason why we had alarm bells ringing on scam no2 was because of the TV show, The Real Hustle.
Lesson learnt!

TLDR: Scam one. students try to sell us fake paintings. Scam two, Chinese girls try to fleece us on night out.
 

If you haven't already, you ought to check out the Travel Channel show "Scam City". The guy on there basically traipses around various foreign cities acting like a generic tourist, while hidden cameras watch him get caught up in the scams. Then he tries to get the scammers to talk about it with him on camera.

He's ended up in some seriously hairy situations, ones that would have my testes quite quickly retreating into my body cavity (one particular event in Prague comes to mind!)
 
If you haven't already, you ought to check out the Travel Channel show "Scam City". The guy on there basically traipses around various foreign cities acting like a generic tourist, while hidden cameras watch him get caught up in the scams. Then he tries to get the scammers to talk about it with him on camera.

He's ended up in some seriously hairy situations, ones that would have my testes quite quickly retreating into my body cavity (one particular event in Prague comes to mind!)

Just watching this clip now

 
Me being from the land of scouse and scams the usual words are **** off and it works. ;)

Never ever engage in someone on the street no matter what charity they portraying, it starts with f and ends with f. Never been scammed yet. :cool:

So what? they hate my attitude, tuff I am x amount richer than you! Because your ruse or scam did not work, so I get to keep my money. :p
 
Just watching this clip now


looks more like he ends up in situations used paid actors... I mean the standard reaction is usually to run out of the room when confronted not act cool and give an interview of how the scam works....

While it might well be a realistic illustration of how a scam like that works the idea that that was actually a real scam attempt in progress using hidden cameras etc.. is pretty dubious.
 
Very few seem set up to me. There's a different "Black Widow" one, which I think is from Rio, where the girl gets very upset indeed. The guy that she calls (in tears) who comes over talks with them, but she gets so visibly upset that they call the interview before it's finished.

One of the most "shocking" is the New Orleans one, which plays out like the film "8MM" as he goes looking for the underground 'Razzle Dazzle'. Some fixer chick manages to set him up with people who can show him... and it ends up being him, alone, in a room with a big guy in a mask with a baseball bat offering to let him play Russian Roulette. :D

I have no doubt that that one was a setup, BUT not on the show's behalf... more the "underworld" figures thinking this guy's walking around talking about a scamming urban legend... how can we scare the living **** out of him? :D
 
lol, if you believe those scam videos are genuine and not staged then you're extremely gullible and prime scam material :p

To be fair, if you actually watch the series, about 80% of it is obviously not staged. Including South America where at one point the dude freaks out and demands to be let out of a taxi because he's gotten himself so wound up about rumours of kidnappings.

His "random encounters" with locals who are more than happy to show him around are quite laughably pre-arranged, though.
 
That video screams scam to me

I have only been scammed twice, and I knew it was an eBay scam and did get my money back knowing I had PayPal protection
The second time was with bitcoin and I should have realised. Maybe if I had been a bit more racist I would. Bad statement that but true. Name and writing style didn't match
 
You knew yet you went along with it, should have got a pen out, wrote an i o u and sent her packing.

April is truly the month of fools.
 
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