Schools - LOST THE PLOT?

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Lima said:
I really do hope you never ever have kids. The attitude you have portrayed in that post is disgraceful and the exact reason why so many kids now have serious authority and behavioural issues.
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There is a very large difference between respecting authority and accepting a punishment blindly when there are mitigating circumstances.

1) Parents not aware of the specific rules.
2) Said haircut being ok at another nearby school where one parent works.
3) Disproportionate punishment to the crime.

Isolation for a haircut does one thing and one thing only, damage the childs eduction. I would be teaching my kid that their education and future are far more important than the styling of their hair, and if any person would attempt to harm my childs education over such a petty thing, I would not take it sat down, which says more about your parenting than it would mine.
 
Its the very same haircut that all the young kids seem to want.

My son has something very similar, his friends all have it.

My son wanted it because Ronaldo (The footballer) had something similar as did many of the top footballers he loves and watches have.

Kids are kids and they want what their idols have, yes adults might not like the style but tough, they don't like our styles or choices much either.

As for the school rules....I don't think those rules are anything out of the ordinary, my sons school has similar rules, however when all the little boys turn up with a certain hairstyle what are the school going to do....put them all in isolation, not likely.
 
kindai said:
Isolation for a haircut does one thing and one thing only, damage the childs eduction. I would be teaching my kid that their education and future are far more important than the styling of their hair, and if any person would attempt to harm my childs education over such a petty thing, I would not take it sat down, which says more about your parenting than it would mine.
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Sorry but how you present yourself to others is just as important...

What use is education if you can't apply it smoothly in the real world.

I blame football being half the reason of these ridiculous haircuts.
 
pfaulkner said:
Hi AceModder.

I work at an academy in Stoke so can appreciate your concern at the decision to put your son into isolation, as it's not the way it should be dealt with.

The haircut is deemed in some schools to be too short beause it's blended in quite high from a number 1 to his normal length.

Usually if the blend is from a number 1 to 2/3 then it wont show up as much and there wouldnt usualy be a problem.
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This person has spoken reason! This thread isn't meant to be about the merits of the haircut, but merely the action taken by the school as a result of it - the school in question is apparently at risk of being made into an academy school which our son told us yesterday (in staffordshire all schools which are not up to standard are being converted to academys) so I think priority should be the educational needs of the children, not a short hair cut.
 
zootfloot said:
Its the very same haircut that all the young kids seem to want.

My son has something very similar, his friends all have it.

My son wanted it because Ronaldo (The footballer) had something similar as did many of the top footballers he loves and watches have.
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And the school they are at doesn't have a problem with it? I think all state schools should have the same rules, at least then there is some form of uniformity.
 
Back in the day. If that had been my school the very next day 500 boys would have turned up with the same hair cut.

Try and Isolate that many.
 
zootfloot said:
Kids are kids and they want what their idols have, yes adults might not like the style but tough, they don't like our styles or choices much either.

As for the school rules....I don't think those rules are anything out of the ordinary, my sons school has similar rules, however when all the little boys turn up with a certain hairstyle what are the school going to do....put them all in isolation, not likely.
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My idol in the 80s was Adam Ant, but I doubt my school would have been too happy with me turning up looking like him. I would have been sent home.

They obviously won't put all of the kids into isolation, but hopefully this incident will mean they communicate the rule better to all parents now. We get regular letters from our son's school (via email) and things like this are highlighted.
 
Martini1991 said:
The consequence is counter productive, it seeks to harm the child's development (Which is actually hilarious in the grand scheme of things)

Again, just seems a great way to mass produce a bunch of intolerant and ignorant kids.

Kids need to make their own individuality, that's how they grow as a person.
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He's not really being individual now is he? He's hardly a mold breaker. Everyone and their nan has that hair cut. He seems to be a trend follower if anything.....which is the opposite of being 'Individual' its like claiming you're individual cos you have tattoos. Maybe look around? They are a symbol of conformity nowadays.
 
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Ace Modder said:
And the school they are at doesn't have a problem with it? I think all state schools should have the same rules, at least then there is some form of uniformity.
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What can they do? its a haircut and they surely must know that said haircut impacts the educational process in no way, in my opinion the rule is there to bolster the uniform rule....all kids should look smart and as samey as possible, which is a purely subjective matter of opinion anyway.

mattyg said:
Back in the day. If that had been my school the very next day 500 boys would have turned up with the same hair cut.

Try and Isolate that many.
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Exactly.

Em3bbs said:
My idol in the 80s was Adam Ant, but I doubt my school would have been too happy with me turning up looking like him. I would have been sent home.

They obviously won't put all of the kids into isolation, but hopefully this incident will mean they communicate the rule better to all parents now. We get regular letters from our son's school (via email) and things like this are highlighted.
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I get what your saying but having your hair shaved to the side with longer hair on top that gets brushed is in no way comparable to dressing like a faux highwayman complete with facepaint etc is it.
 
RDM said:
What would be a suitable punishment?
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Contact the parents, explain that it is not acceptable and state that once his hair has grown back then it cannot be accepted again, that way its then clear to the parents who quite frankly have the final say on a 12 year old childs haircut.

The problem with the hair cut rule is there is no defining limit.
The motorway limit is 70mph.
The legal drink-drive limit is x amount of units in blood.
The childrens lunch break is 45mins, between 1pm and 1:40pm

A haircut rule posted on the schools website doesn't have any defining limit.

Should putting a child into isolation and affecting his learning be done for the sake of a "trendy-haircut". As for the people who claim that when in isolation he is still learning, maybe but putting him into isolation for something his parents have done automatically would set his attitude wrongly, also children learn better when in an involved, interactive classroom, just having work set out on sheets of paper working in silence in a small office means he is not taking the work in as well, and also if his lesson is a foreign language and he is in isolation with for example the P.E. teacher and he needs to ask a question about the work he has been give, the P.E. teacher may not be able to help him.

The most important thing is the educational standards are not as high when in isolation.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
best one was he hurt his back was off for a week. he went back a day early at register they said you shouldn't be here go back home :confused:
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If he had been signed off as "sick" for a week, and then goes back in early, then his school put themselves at risk of your son aggravating an injury and then blaming them for letting him be there when he should be rested.

Thats not a "best one". Its standard practice.

If I get signed off from work, I'm off until it expires, not beforehand.
 
Ace Modder said:
Contact the parents, explain that it is not acceptable and state that once his hair has grown back then it cannot be accepted again, that way its then clear to the parents who quite frankly have the final say on a 12 year old childs haircut.
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So no punishment at all then?

Ace Modder said:
Should putting a child into isolation and affecting his learning be done for the sake of a "trendy-haircut".
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A single day in Year 7 isn't suddenly going to cause your child to fail school so the impact to his education would be fairly negligible. Being allowed to break school rules and have parents that support him in breaking school rules is more likely to have a longer term impact.

At the end of the day you agree to the schools policies when you send your child there, the fact that you didn't read what you agreed to is hardly the fault of the school.
 
Ace Modder said:
Contact the parents, explain that it is not acceptable and state that once his hair has grown back then it cannot be accepted again, that way its then clear to the parents who quite frankly have the final say on a 12 year old childs haircut.

The problem with the hair cut rule is there is no defining limit.
The motorway limit is 70mph.
The legal drink-drive limit is x amount of units in blood.
The childrens lunch break is 45mins, between 1pm and 1:40pm

A haircut rule posted on the schools website doesn't have any defining limit.

Should putting a child into isolation and affecting his learning be done for the sake of a "trendy-haircut". As for the people who claim that when in isolation he is still learning, maybe but putting him into isolation for something his parents have done automatically would set his attitude wrongly, also children learn better when in an involved, interactive classroom, just having work set out on sheets of paper working in silence in a small office means he is not taking the work in as well, and also if his lesson is a foreign language and he is in isolation with for example the P.E. teacher and he needs to ask a question about the work he has been give, the P.E. teacher may not be able to help him.

The most important thing is the educational standards are not as high when in isolation.
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Mg of alcohol in the blood differs greatly between people dependent on a vast number of factors and as such despite knowing the required legal level, generally people play it safe and either don't drink at all when they drive or have a very small amount like a bottle of lager for example. Point being.... There isn't exactly a clear rule about what people can and can't do just as you allude to with the school hair rule. Difference is, if you got pulled over and didn't pass the breathalyser you wouldn't be able to say 'sorry officer the rules aren't very clear so I did it anyway.'

I know it's not exactly the same thing, but despite having a scientific legal level/ amount, the drink drive limit is similar in that nobody knows exactly what they can get away with before being penalised.
 
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what exactly are the school planning on doing keeping him in isolation til lit grows back?

have you buy a wig?
 
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