Science Nerds Assemble

Raoh said:
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Afraid to break it to some of you still in la-la land, but these devices have and do exist but are repressed. The lucky inventors just get a warning or money to shut up and go away, the not so lucky ones, well you can figure that one out - those who currently benefit will do anything to maintain their positions of power and wealth, let's put it that way.

TLDR: You're right! Believe everything the mainstream science and media tell you - nothing to see here. ;)
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Even after all these years, I'm still a bit surprised that many conspiracy nutters use this line of argument and appear genuinely unable to see how silly and hypocritical it is.

You're telling us that we should believe highly implausible statements without any supporting evidence at all just because people you've decided are The Authority On The Subject say them.

At the same time, you criticise us for taking plausible statements as being true because they've been cross-checked by numerous people who've spent years studying the subject.

In short, you're wrongly assuming that people who disagree with you are doing what you're doing and you're hypocritically criticising them for doing what you're doing (although they aren't).

It's such a ridiculous, stupid and hypocritical argument that I'm surprised anyone chooses to make themselves look bad by making it.
 
The definition of a perpetual motion device doesn't really include something like Earth. Perpetual motion really means devices that: "produce useful work indefinitely or produce more work or energy than they consume." It was known as far back as Newton that "an object in motion will remain in motion until acted on by a force" so this is not what people mean by perpetual motion.

A spinning planet cannot produce "work" or it would slow down.

If you wanted to make a huge man-made object spin indefinitely in space then harness its energy, you would need to input a huge amount of energy in the first place and could never get more energy from it that you originally put in, so you may as well use that energy instead.
 
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Liampope said:
LOL typical conspiracy theory nonsense:rolleyes:. Because of course the evil Oil Companies would rather carry on spending billions looking for and extracting oil/gas to sell when they could just create the energy for free to sell if they only hired/kidnapped one of these genius free energy machine inventors. Yeah, makes perfect sense that they'd pass up on the free energy and carry on drilling. OK.
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What about the case of Aries M. DeGeus, he was working on a long lasting battery and was found dead in his car in the airport carpark on his way to get funding for his research.

http://pesn.com/2007/12/10/9500464_Arie_DeGeus/
http://pesn.com/2007/12/05/9500463_self-powered_battery_inventor_dead/

What about MIT professor Eugene Mallove found beaten to death?

There are more examples.

http://www.prlog.org/11426722-50000...petronov-russian-plasma-battery-inventor.html
http://www.zimbio.com/National+Scie...w+plasma+battery+now+restricted+only+military

Stanley Meyer was another one (his story was a tragic imo and if you look in to this one you will see that it is far from a conspiracy, it is a reality)
 
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groen said:
What about the case of Aries M. DeGeus, he was working on a long lasting battery and was found dead in his car in the airport carpark on his way to get funding for his research.
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Heart failure. "The resulting autopsy indicated heart failure, and thus concluded "death from natural causes". Hence police are not investigating it any further, and they are not considering it as a possible homicide."

groen said:
What about MIT professor Eugene Mallove found beaten to death?
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"Court testimony indicates that Mallove may have been killed by an evicted tenant who was angry about belongings being disposed of during the clearout."
 
Well of course if you are going to murder an inventor you don't leave clues to get caught and you leave the necessary clues to create a false story.

What did you expect to find?

Cause of death a conspiracy by DOD and oil companies ? These sorts of things require a bit of "read between the lines". It is when the friends and families come out about the death being suspicious that adds to the credibility of the idea that they were murdered due to their work.

But some people won't ever accept anything that is not officially accepted, even if the evidence is blatantly in their face.
 
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touch said:
Like perpetual motion?
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Depends how you define perpetual motion. I pointed out that video earlier of the ball spinning around in the circle utilizing magnets and a pendulum. The inventor claims it is perpetual motion because the devices does not stop working and runs by itself, until the parts break due to wear and tear.

definition: The motion of a hypothetical machine that, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear.

So yea that device does meet the definition for perpetual motion. However it is not an energy device. But you are free to think it is all a big conspiracy if you want lol.
 

I have seen a documentary which looks at this device in more detail and i believe it has been verified by other scientists as being the real deal. it uses magnetism and pendulum to spin the ball around the circle.

What about this one?


or this one ?

 
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No i never said that the last two were perpetual motion, but i was under the impression that the first video has carried on working for months and is in a sealed cabinet and is still working to this day. But you said 14 days ? strange.

the other two videos are just demonstrating the use of magnets to spin the wheel. that is all.
 
ChroniC said:
Even though its not touching anything, as it's free floating in zero mavity. Are you telling me that there is a loss of energy through the vacuum? I can understand that by friction, but its a frictionless environment.
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if we were not effected by the suns mavity we would not be orbiting it!!! and the boon is exerting a force on us...

also vacuum smacuum its fully of dust and bits and photons and weird stuff poping in and out...
 
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