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people just don't understand the difference between a force and energy - magnetism and mavity are forces - they contain NO energy. they have NO energy to extract - anybody who claims to do otherwise is a moron.

Well, they "contain" potential energy. Or a more rigorous explanation would be that they impart a potential energy to any object which interacts with the field.

Perpetual motion is precluded by the fact that both these forces are conservative.
 
Well, they "contain" potential energy. Or a more rigorous explanation would be that they impart a potential energy to any object which interacts with the field.

Perpetual motion is precluded by the fact that both these forces are conservative.

Not quite... imagine you lifted a tennis ball off the ground. It now has gravitational potential energy, right? Did it get that energy from the force of mavity? No, it got it from you.
 
Not quite... imagine you lifted a tennis ball off the ground. It now has gravitational potential energy, right? Did it get that energy from the force of mavity? No, it got it from you.

Well... I'd disagree. "Potential energy" only exists within the field. Take the field away... does the object have any energy now?

Why did the tennis ball need to be given energy in order to be lifted off the ground? Because it's in a field.

Potential energy is more like a "debt" that the field "owes" the object, rather than actual energy. I suppose we are both right - the tennis ball received the energy from the field, but the energy was supplied to the field by the person who picked it up.

Or am i talking ********. I should really know, since I'm an astrophysics student, but meh... i don't go to lectures much.
 
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Well, they "contain" potential energy. Or a more rigorous explanation would be that they impart a potential energy to any object which interacts with the field.

Perpetual motion is precluded by the fact that both these forces are conservative.

the potential energy they contain does not come from those forces - it comes from energy put in to move within those forces.
 
On the topic of energy..
Leccie prices are much cheaper at night, so why aren't more people buying batteries and charging them up overnight?

Round trip efficiency... Self discharge... Large capital investment... A non economy 7 tariff can often make more sense anyway.
 
What about non contact magnetic bearings? ;)

In a true vacuum you could theoretically spin something on a non-contact bearing and it would spin forever. You could not use it to power anything, or it would lose energy and stop spinning.

This is almost what is happening to Earth spinning in space, but space is not a proper vacuum so it will eventually stop.
 
Hasn't it ever struck people how utterly pants much of our power generating tech is after all these years? Take batteries as a good example, heck, those 'vintage' rockets we still use to send payloads into orbit too.

Tesla is a good one to mention and was a genius who sadly got screwed over in the end. Look into history (not all the mainstream junk) and see who would have been set to lose out massively by the development and release of energy devices that could basically power a home, industry or transport for basically nothing (or very little) and then you'll see why we're still using this outdated rubbish. :)

Afraid to break it to some of you still in la-la land, but these devices have and do exist but are repressed. The lucky inventors just get a warning or money to shut up and go away, the not so lucky ones, well you can figure that one out - those who currently benefit will do anything to maintain their positions of power and wealth, let's put it that way.

TLDR: You're right! Believe everything the mainstream science and media tell you - nothing to see here. ;)
 
You can make something spin forever, you can't get energy from it though.

TLDR: You're right! Believe everything the mainstream science and media tell you - nothing to see here.

I bet you get your energy from an electricity company ;)
 
Hasn't it ever struck people how utterly pants much of our power generating tech is after all these years? Take batteries as a good example, heck, those 'vintage' rockets we still use to send payloads into orbit too.


TLDR: You're right! Believe everything the mainstream science and media tell you - nothing to see here. ;)

Batteries are not an example of power generating. The only real way to 'find' energy is to harness nucleus binding energy ;)
 
Hasn't it ever struck people how utterly pants much of our power generating tech is after all these years? Take batteries as a good example, heck, those 'vintage' rockets we still use to send payloads into orbit too.

Tesla is a good one to mention and was a genius who sadly got screwed over in the end. Look into history (not all the mainstream junk) and see who would have been set to lose out massively by the development and release of energy devices that could basically power a home, industry or transport for basically nothing (or very little) and then you'll see why we're still using this outdated rubbish. :)

Afraid to break it to some of you still in la-la land, but these devices have and do exist but are repressed. The lucky inventors just get a warning or money to shut up and go away, the not so lucky ones, well you can figure that one out - those who currently benefit will do anything to maintain their positions of power and wealth, let's put it that way.

TLDR: You're right! Believe everything the mainstream science and media tell you - nothing to see here. ;)

LOL typical conspiracy theory nonsense:rolleyes:. Because of course the evil Oil Companies would rather carry on spending billions looking for and extracting oil/gas to sell when they could just create the energy for free to sell if they only hired/kidnapped one of these genius free energy machine inventors. Yeah, makes perfect sense that they'd pass up on the free energy and carry on drilling. OK.
 
Hasn't it ever struck people how utterly pants much of our power generating tech is after all these years? Take batteries as a good example

Batteries have improved a hundred fold in the last few decades, purely because we have a need for them (electronic gadgets), I have little doubt batteries for larger devices such as cars will also improve - if the industry stays heading in that direction.

Tesla is a good one to mention .. Afraid to break it to some of you still in la-la land, but these devices have and do exist but are repressed.

I'm afraid that is and cannot be not true and there is one simple reason why - money. The group behind the company who brought this out would be the most powerful in the world.

There is no vested interest currently (be it oil or anything else) which would not have it's interests advanced by bringing such a device to market.

Unless, you suggest it is repressed by the lizard people who don't want humans to have such advanced technology? I guess that's possible.
 
Don't forget energy lost in the system as current is induced in the coil and creates resistance and therefore vibrations (heat). Where there's electricity there's resistance. Science FACT.

Oh and while we're talking about them, I saw a tesla coil being used today - only a couple of feet from me. Was awesome.
 
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