Scientists Invent Particles That Will Let You Live Without Breathing

One of my friends just had a baby who suffered in utero oxygen deprivation during delivery. The baby is now permanently brain damaged bacause they couldn't get her out quickly enough. Something like this would have prevented that and so I really hope it gets approved ASAP.
 
The headline is certainly impressive but it's actually quite a simple idea from a scientific point of view which raises the question (from me anyway)....why hasn't it been done sooner? They have actually tried to inject bubbles in the past but not oxygenated particles?? Other Oxygenators exist. Hmmm.
 
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The headline is certainly impressive but it's actually quite a simple idea from a scientific point of view which raises the question (from me anyway)....why hasn't it been done sooner? They have actually tried to inject bubbles in the past but not oxygenated particles?? Other Oxygenators exist. Hmmm.

Animal rights nutters, no doubt. Bleeding heart liberals, vegans, and tofu experts.
 
I'm in 2 minds about this, on the one hand it'll save so many lives it will be amazing. But on the other hand is this going too far? Should people who are in these situations not accept there fate?

Question 1, yes.

Question 2, no.

Let's not keep people alive: for much longer than the current techniques whilst being operated on to reduce the risk of damage to the brain and major organs?

Really?
 
developed by a team at Boston Children's Hospital

Once of the fundamental problems of paediatric respiratory arrest ..

Death from hypoxia normally occurs before hypercapnea in adults...

Kind of makes your point a bit off kilter don't you think as the nature of respiratory arrest and the level of compensation for acidosis between the groups at the time of arrest is rather different.

ECMO is the way forwards (I'm biased, I do this for a living).

You at Leicester? Seen your posts before didn't know you that's what you did.

The headline is certainly impressive but it's actually quite a simple idea from a scientific point of view which raises the question (from me anyway)....why hasn't it been done sooner? They have actually tried to inject bubbles in the past but not oxygenated particles?? Other Oxygenators exist. Hmmm.

Because as I have pointed out its application is rather limited and not the breakthrough it may appear to be.
 
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It would be their fate. If fate actually existed, which of course it doesn't.
This.

To make another point,

Even if fate did exist, you would have no way of knowing if as a species, fate would have us find a way of cheating death.

It's a dumb argument whichever way you spin it.
 
Medical Science is amazing. This is the natural path of evolution we're heading, it's not playing God and it's not going against someone's "fate" :rolleyes:
 
How it all started: "Scientists unveil method for Paramedics to allow the quick oxygenation of patients that aren't breathing, which will dramatically increase the patient's chance of surviving."

How the media report it: "Scientists invent way to live without breathing! ZOMG!!11"
 
Yup I'm at the Glenfield for another month. Interesting to see of they plan to close us on Wednesday though!

Sorry with how things went. But at the end of the day I can see the sense in the decision. Having a centre with the likes of Brawn, Barron, etc so close to you made it a rather inevitable outcome. Likewise Brompton was never going to compete with GOSH, well I guess no-one was going to or ever will. Nature of the game but centralised services makes sense on so many levels.
 
Not really a problem for me as I'm rotating out but pretty rubbish for the nurses and consultants, going to be an interesting few months!
 
Whilst this is a good advance it is not quite the godsend that it is being sold as. Once of the fundamental problems of paediatric respiratory arrest is not the oxygenation issue which is equally rectified with high dosage oxygen administration via mechanical means but rather the elimination of carbon dioxide. Without that you just end up with a highly oxygenated but rather dead acidotic patient.

tldr: Makes no odds you still need to bag them quick and ventilate them quick because oxygenation is not the issue it's the removal of carbon dioxide.

Exactly this.

Unless the carbon dioxide can be removed, this will be useless beyond the 15-30 minutes.
 
Not really a problem for me as I'm rotating out but pretty rubbish for the nurses and consultants, going to be an interesting few months!

Yep, it is not their fault someone decided to place such a centre in Leicester. Which does not make sense geographically or from a support point of view. I expect BCH will expand significantly once they move to the QE site which I believe is their intention.
 
Exactly this.

Unless the carbon dioxide can be removed, this will be useless beyond the 15-30 minutes.

It also requires some kind of access and let's say even if you are going to be really gung-ho then by the time you established IO access you'd have got an airway in (if required) and bagged them up. You don't need that much oxygen to actually stop the heart rate dropping and reverse it's downward trend.
 
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