Scrappage Scam Extended
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Ah. you mean that all the R&D done in the UK is for foreign owned car manufacturers.
Incidentally, who the hell is/are Maclaren, I don't think that they even produce cars
All that high value R&D (and high value manufacture), yes.
What does it matter which company is paying for it, surely it matters that, despite our business unfriendly, red tape driven junta, they still come here.
As for McLaren, presumably you forgot about the F1, the joint collaboration with Mercedes that was the SLR and indeed this...
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/241471/new_mclaren_mp412c_supercar.html
The point is, we have for a long time sat at the cutting edge of automotive R&D and consultancy (That is what has kept Lotus going all these years), but the sort of work we do takes a very long time (if ever) to reach volume cars.
Is that a type of baby buggy?
(It's Mclaren not Maclaren - hand in your motors badge immediately)
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Ah. you mean that all the R&D done in the UK is for foreign owned car manufacturers.
Incidentally, who the hell is/are Maclaren, I don't think that they even produce cars
What I mean is that as a skilled UK based Design Engineer the premium sector is where I am likely to find employment in an R&D role rather than a production engineer at say, Honda.
I dont care who owns the big players than employ a massive workforce of skilled technican staff here in the UK.
Ron Dennis went back into road cars from the F1 side. Check Wokings lastest output unveiled in the last few weeks.
Oh come on - with some of the atrocities to the English language that go on around here, I should be allowed to get away with one mistake
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Actually, it's McLaren but let's not be too picky
I suspect that knowing how to spell your client's names isn't a KPI for a Design Engineer
ok maybe you didnt get my point i dont literally mean a e30 m3 but basically, 'Insert DAMN cool car here' scrapped for no good reason to get some bottom off the range crap consider this fact
IF you can afford a new car lets say 6000 min with scrappage, then i think its fair to say you have money. If you have money you would fix your old car when it gets broke and then service it when its needed. So its a good example of that car in other words. (lets call this person A)
Compare that with joe bloggs person B, very little money, lots of debt, he has the same car as person A, but its in pretty crap condition because he cant look after it properly his car stays in the grand pool of cars as it isnt scrapped. the one in good condition is scrapped, Person C is a new driver with little money they want a cheap but reliable 10 year old car but sadly theres less now cos all the half decent ones were scrapped and the crap ones are still owned by joe bloggs and the like.
Thats my concern, that half decent cars are getting dumped which is damaging the second hand market for those like jane the young student. catch my drift?
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im not being funny but while some might not think it terrible that a mk4 fiesta is scrapped in good condition or say a perfectly good clio the problem is that cheap affordable easy to fix little hatchbacks are pretty much the most import kind of car. since its the kind of car every aspiring 18 year old starts with if they dont have millionaire mummy and daddy
IF you can afford a new car lets say 6000 min with scrappage, then i think its fair to say you have money. If you have money you would fix your old car when it gets broke and then service it when its needed. So its a good example of that car in other words. (lets call this person A)
Compare that with joe bloggs person B, very little money, lots of debt, he has the same car as person A, but its in pretty crap condition because he cant look after it properly his car stays in the grand pool of cars as it isnt scrapped. the one in good condition is scrapped, Person C is a new driver with little money they want a cheap but reliable 10 year old car but sadly theres less now cos all the half decent ones were scrapped and the crap ones are still owned by joe bloggs and the like.
Thats my concern, that half decent cars are getting dumped which is damaging the second hand market for those like jane the young student. catch my drift?
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im not being funny but while some might not think it terrible that a mk4 fiesta is scrapped in good condition or say a perfectly good clio the problem is that cheap affordable easy to fix little hatchbacks are pretty much the most import kind of car. since its the kind of car every aspiring 18 year old starts with if they dont have millionaire mummy and daddy
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so do toyota not have a factory over here in production?
my corolla has a "made in england" sticker on it!
your concern is based around a highly convoluted scenario that may or may not even exist in reality...using ficticious examples with no statistical analysis.
if i were you, i wouldnt be too concerned.
my corolla has a "made in england" sticker on it!
your concern is based around a highly convoluted scenario that may or may not even exist in reality...using ficticious examples with no statistical analysis.
if i were you, i wouldnt be too concerned.
If you are insisting that an E30 M3 is a feasible choice for the scrappage scheme and that it is nothing special, and revered only due to "emotion" then you need your head checked, and should seriously consider not posting in this sub forum.
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If not due to emotion, then why is a BMW E30 M3, or in fact any other car so revered
Any item, be it a BMW E30 M3, Mona Lisa or Koh-i-noor is only worth what people will pay for it. If you can get more by scrapping a car than it is worth on the open market and you happen to want or need a new car, it really doesn't matter what your old car is.
If not due to emotion, then why is a BMW E30 M3, or in fact any other car so revered
Any item, be it a BMW E30 M3, Mona Lisa or Koh-i-noor is only worth what people will pay for it. If you can get more by scrapping a car than it is worth on the open market and you happen to want or need a new car, it really doesn't matter what your old car is.
Some things take time to appreciate in value, that's not to say that they won't. I can provide you with HUNDREDS of examples of cars that stagnate in value (ie worth nothing), then absolutely rocket. Much like certain paintings do when the Artist dies.
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So, hang on to your old car then; so far as I am aware, nobody is actually forcing you to sell it.
Not everyone wants their drive cluttered up with worthless old bangers that they hope will eventually become priceless treasures - if they do, then good luck to them
So, hang on to your old car then; so far as I am aware, nobody is actually forcing you to sell it.
Not everyone wants their drive cluttered up with worthless old bangers that they hope will eventually become priceless treasures - if they do, then good luck to them
People DON'T have to drive them, they can sell them to people that WANT them.
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And if they could sell them for a better deal, I have absolutely no doubt they would.
As it happens, they appear not to be able to do so; perhaps because people really don't believe that some mass produced 20 or 30 year old German Boxcar will suddenly become a priceless treasure?
Perhaps while you keep banging on about market forces, would you agree that you should let market forces decide the fate of some of the cars on the road instead of a stupid money wasting government initiative?
I would like to add that the E30 M3 was NOT mass produced, in fact less than 20,000 were made. Only 8,000 were in euro spec.
Yes they do it's up in Burnaston, they make the Avensis and Auris, very interesting place to visit.
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I wasn't entirely aware that I had mentioned market forces. However, I do accept that the Government have intervened to prop up the inevitably doomed UK motor industry and take some frightful wrecks off the roads.
OK, I accept that the BMW E30 M3 is an unique masterpiece of traditional engineering with each vehicle individually hand-crafted by wizened old men in lederhosen living deep in the forests of Bavaria but seemingly no longer very much wanted by a cruel and ungrateful world . . . better now?
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Why do you persist with the myth that only frightful old wrecks are being removed using scrappage? You would have to pay me before I would drive your i20 over say the 96 E320 shown as a scrappage victim in last weeks Autocar.
Just because the owner didnt want it doesnt mean nobody wants it nor is unsafe. Infact does your i20 have ESP?
Just because the owner didnt want it doesnt mean nobody wants it nor is unsafe. Infact does your i20 have ESP?
Errm, no not really. They are hardly "unwanted", and are actually very much in demand.
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