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Screen Jitter when using x1950 Crossfire

Cyber-Mav said:
if you don;t like my comments then go hide uder your bed and don;t come onto these forums.
i speak from personal experience and i have a x1900xt and i can honestly say that driver wise and stability wise it is a load of crap compared to any nvidia card i have ever owned.
thats a truly unbiased opinion, and i doubt any other ati owner will drop the fanboyism and admit the truth. :rolleyes:

not saying that ati cards are crap. but when put up against nvidia card you then realise that ati cards are crapper.
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LOL! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why are you using XP64? Oh yes you have 4Gb, Im not entirely convinced you even need that much, even when you showed a SS using 4 programs, well shut one?

Sorry mate, but thats a silly comment to say if I ever saw one, and the amount of absolute **** you post its unbelievable, contradicting yourself and even just spamming. You overtook me 2 months back, and you have 1k more post than me... Infact the stuff you post actually makes MSN discussion...

Using rthdribl, well, you use that often do you? I installed it once on a nvidia card, guess what happened! It BSOD'ed. Installed it on my X1900XT, using ATi Tool clock switching, it worked perfectly.


A normal user wouldn't be playing in window mode, even if they did they wouldn't know if it was performing correctly.

A enthusiast uses ATi Tray Tools and driver level overclocking with the services disabled and manual 3D switching with some profiles and it works a dam treat. Can't have different clock settings for different games on nvidia cards.

Infact, I could actually change the power profile so that a X1900 is less power hungry than a GX2.

I can do stock clocks at 1.325V, that cuts 6C off load temps, that must be 10-20W, ooh look, the same as a GX2.

Same for idle, 2D clocks down to 400/440, 1.050V and 30C idle from close to 40C, that must be another 10-20W, ooh look the same as a GX2...


Both my X1900XT, X1900XTX and my 9800 Pro have never ever ever BSODed on me. Not once, ever.

However, my 6800U and 7800GT were a different story, couldn't get through a week without a nv4_disp.dll failure.

For me to go back to nvidia they will have to do something very, very special.

But I doubt that as folding doesn't work very well on nvidia GPUs atm, because of the "bad" way nvidia designed them.

So im my book:

ATI - 3 Points:
1.Complete stability.
2. Folding Capability.
3. Software controlled voltages.

Nvidia - 1 point
1. Cooler and use less power, oh whoop-di doo.. (im not fussed by noise and power)


Thats my opinion!






Edit: The OPs problems could be caused by the differences in BIOS version on the two cards, if all else fails flash the Asus to a His XTX BIOS?

CR. :)
 
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Concorde Rules said:
LOL! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Edit: The OPs problems could be caused by the differences in BIOS version on the two cards, if all else fails flash the Asus to a His XTX BIOS?

CR. :)
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Any suggestions on how to track down this angle? I don't suppose the master card bios from the HIS will work on the asus slave (and I want to be careful of warranty issues if I need to RMA the cards...)
 
Gerakis said:
Any suggestions on how to track down this angle? I don't suppose the master card bios from the HIS will work on the asus slave (and I want to be careful of warranty issues if I need to RMA the cards...)
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I don't know what differences there are between XT, XTX and master cards, I expect it could be different.

To be fair, if the card dies, the card is dead so they can't get the BIOS info back, so flashing is safe, esp when you have a 2nd card you can re-do it if the first, or later flashes fail. But I don't think anyone has had a bad flash (apart from some silly people putting wrong BIOSes on.
 
Gerakis, this is one of the very few time i have no idea what could be causing the problem.

Without 2 of everything or being there, i cant tell the problem from where im sitting. :(

cyber, i hear you on the nvidia drivers bit, i love the facts its restart'n'go for them.

Both have very mature card and drivers now though there should not be any real problems, back in the days of 5xxx and ati 9xxx both had crap drivers games crashed for me on both the 9800pro and the 5950u i had.

As for the ati 2d/3d thing, i have atitool to do that for me, it is set to xtx speeds at 2d and a good hard oc when it hits 3d (auto)

if anything i would say nvidia are more n00b friendly than ati, getting the max out of your card wise, but for features and iq x1900 hands down.
(f@h and aa functions)
 
Concorde Rules said:
Using rthdribl, well, you use that often do you? I installed it once on a nvidia card, guess what happened! It BSOD'ed. Installed it on my X1900XT, using ATi Tool clock switching, it worked perfectly.


A normal user wouldn't be playing in window mode, even if they did they wouldn't know if it was performing correctly.
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like i said ati does not seem to be catering for the normal user. to get the most out of my x1900xt i have to use tray tools. its not like that with nvidia where i can just use the standard drivers and no need to install extra crap like riva tuner or something else to make the card work properly.

like i said before noobs would really be disgruntled with they way they have to setup an ati card to get the most from it. all im saying is that its more work than an nvidia card is.

and whats wrong with playing 3d games in a window. i do it all the time, running windowed games is what i have to do sometimes to allow fast switching between game and windows. multi monitor would be ideal but not practical for me.

and why are you getting all wounded at my post count?? just because im paid to perform systems administration tasks doesn;t mean that i can;t have another tab open with ocuk forum in it. all work and no play etc.......
 
lay-z-boy said:
As for the ati 2d/3d thing, i have atitool to do that for me, it is set to xtx speeds at 2d and a good hard oc when it hits 3d (auto)

if anything i would say nvidia are more n00b friendly than ati, getting the max out of your card wise, but for features and iq x1900 hands down.
(f@h and aa functions)
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i agree with you on exactly those points you have mentioned. but the worst for ati is having to use a third part app to do the job (2d/3d clocks) properly that ccc should be doing in the first place.

if someone else running the ccc would like to test it run rthdribl in a window and see if the clocks change. they will once tray tools has been setup to handle the detection and management of 3d clocks.
 
Concorde Rules said:
I don't know what differences there are between XT, XTX and master cards, I expect it could be different.
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thought it was just clock speeds that seperate the xt and xtx. mastercard gains the corssfire control ability i think.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Have you tried another Monitor/TFT.
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surly the problem can;t be monitor related?? i mean all the monitor does is display the image, worst a monitor could do is have dead pixels or dodgely colouring or just be dead? stuttering should not be monitor related.
 
The problem is your tft or monitor and not the ATi Crossfire cards.

I had this issue for months and it drove me crazy, even went as far as buying expensive Dual Link DVI cable and trying every driver known to man,

As soon as i swapped my TFT from a Belinea to the NEC multisync then the problem went away

I dont know if its a coincidence, but the NEC does 1:1 pixel mapping but the Belinea didnt. maybe irrelevent , but its definately your TFT
 
Coolasmoo said:
The problem is your tft or monitor and not the ATi Crossfire cards.

I had this issue for months and it drove me crazy, even went as far as buying expensive Dual Link DVI cable and trying every driver known to man,

As soon as i swapped my TFT from a Belinea to the NEC multisync then the problem went away

I dont know if its a coincidence, but the NEC does 1:1 pixel mapping but the Belinea didnt. maybe irrelevent , but its definately your TFT
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I knew id read about this before on here. :)

V-sync must have been an SLi thing. :p

I knew i said to try a different Monitor/TFT for a reason. :p
 
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Cyber-Mav said:
thought it was just clock speeds that seperate the xt and xtx. mastercard gains the corssfire control ability i think.
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And you do it AGAIN! 3 posts instead of just one. Spammer if I ever saw one.

Seriously stop doing this, one post and edit it!!!!


As for BIOS differences, it doesn't matter what the clock changes there are, The problem is if there are suttle changes the manufactures did which makes it not work with other manufactures.
 
Concorde Rules said:
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And you do it AGAIN! 3 posts instead of just one. Spammer if I ever saw one.

Seriously stop doing this, one post and edit it!!!!
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you just seem to be a bit thick mate :p what sense is there for me to post a reply to your post by putting my reply in a post which i made before you made your post?
your just too stupid to see the logic i guess :rolleyes:
 
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