Seat Belt Laws

bazzabear · 20 Nov 2023 at 17:24

I liked the bit where he said "I'm just really restricted in terms of my movement" while easily leaning forward far enough that he's pressed against the steering wheel.

Hades · 20 Nov 2023 at 19:32

Murphy said:
Based on the The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 yes he is because section J, part 47, subsection 8 says...

And the way he was wearing it would not restrain the upper part of the trunk of the wearer in the event of an accident to the vehicle.

This sounds a reasonable argument to me. I've changed my mind and think he'll be found guilty.

Haggisman · 20 Nov 2023 at 19:34

SexyGreyFox said:
I agree with you all but is he actually breaking the law if he's still technically wearing it?
We can all make assumptions but where's the bit of the law that says he has to wear it how it was designed?

Where do you draw the line?

Am I "wearing" my seatbelt if I just have a bit of it wrapped around my arm?

GarethSouthgate · 20 Nov 2023 at 19:35

McManicMan said:
Watched the video and the driver is a prat. Just wear the seat belt as it it was designed for.

Or let nature do its work, one less idiot in the gene pool hopefully?

GarethSouthgate · 20 Nov 2023 at 19:37

SexyGreyFox said:
I agree with you all but is he actually breaking the law if he's still technically wearing it?
We can all make assumptions but where's the bit of the law that says he has to wear it how it was designed?

If you wear all your clothes around your arms and head and walk around naked you'd technically be wearing your cloths.

SexyGreyFox · 20 Nov 2023 at 20:20

Haggisman said:
Where do you draw the line?

Am I "wearing" my seatbelt if I just have a bit of it wrapped around my arm?

sigma said:
If you wear all your clothes around your arms and head and walk around naked you'd technically be wearing your cloths.

You're both a bit late - post 20

Resident · 20 Nov 2023 at 23:06

Meh I drive all the time without a seatbelt at all.

All legal and no, not a medical exemption...

SexyGreyFox · 20 Nov 2023 at 23:40

I'm watching Crash Detectives at the moment and I bet the 3 lads in the Ford Focus wish they had them on with one being dead.

Hades · 21 Nov 2023 at 01:28

Resident said:
Meh I drive all the time without a seatbelt at all.

All legal and no, not a medical exemption...

Taxi driver, emergency services....................... or you reverse everywhere.

Resident · 21 Nov 2023 at 05:02

Hades said:
Taxi driver, emergency services....................... or you reverse everywhere.

Close, Bus.

A lot of our older fleet never came fitted with them (as young as 2009). What's not fitted can't be worn.

theone8181 · 21 Nov 2023 at 07:16

Resident said:
Close, Bus.

A lot of our older fleet never came fitted with them (as young as 2009). What's not fitted can't be worn.

I guess for buses, whatever they hit is going to give and that means the bus won't stop instantly like a car would (all about increasing the time). Although I'm sure I read a comment about its incase the driver needs to chase somebody. Imo wearing a seat belt shouldn't be mandatory, I'm a fan of darwinism.

Feek · 21 Nov 2023 at 08:08

The guy in the video says he feels restrained when he's got his seat belt on properly and he demonstrates how he wants to drive which is leaning quite a long way forward from his seat. If he had his seat adjusted properly, he wouldn't feel as though the belt is restraining him.

Nasher · 21 Nov 2023 at 09:41

Loophole. The belt is "on" even if it's not in the intended way. There is nothing saying the shoulder strap must be on. It's a bit like when people wore masks only over their mouth or on their chin during covid. Technically they are wearing it :/

Also if the car is old enough not to have come with one the law doesn't even apply, you don't have to retrofit one.

I know someone who got ejected out of an open sunroof during a roll while not wearing a seatbelt. Amazing he had no injuries, the car was completely trashed and rolled a number of times more after he flew out :O

Hotwired · 21 Nov 2023 at 09:57

Nasher said:
Loophole. The belt is "on" even if it's not in the intended way. There is nothing saying the shoulder strap must be on. It's a bit like when people wore masks only over their mouth or on their chin during covid. Technically they are wearing it :/

Also if the car is old enough not to have come with one the law doesn't even apply, you don't have to retrofit one.

Anywhere that genuinely gave a damn e.g. nursing home wouldn't accept that. Customer shovellers like a large shop had no incentive or powers to enforce.

SexyGreyFox · 21 Nov 2023 at 10:24

Nasher said:
Loophole. The belt is "on" even if it's not in the intended way. There is nothing saying the shoulder strap must be on. It's a bit like when people wore masks only over their mouth or on their chin during covid. Technically they are wearing it :/

You didn't read Murphy's post above.

Based on the The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 yes he is because section J, part 47, subsection 8 says...

8) In this regulation—

“body-restraining seat belt” means a seat belt designed to provide restraint for both the upper and lower parts of the trunk of the wearer in the event of an accident to the vehicle;

Nasher · 21 Nov 2023 at 12:18

And where is "body restraining seatbelt" defined because that could mean anything.

The modern belt are three point seatbelts. Which isnt mentioned.

arknor · 21 Nov 2023 at 12:20

Feek said:
The guy in the video says he feels restrained when he's got his seat belt on properly

You'd think that would be the clue to it being effective during an impact.

SexyGreyFox · 21 Nov 2023 at 13:20

Nasher said:
And where is "body restraining seatbelt" defined because that could mean anything.

The modern belt are three point seatbelts. Which isnt mentioned.

8) In this regulation—

“body-restraining seat belt” means a seat belt designed to provide restraint for both the upper and lower parts of the trunk of the wearer in the event of an accident to the vehicle;

Haggisman · 21 Nov 2023 at 15:34

Nasher said:
And where is "body restraining seatbelt" defined because that could mean anything.

The modern belt are three point seatbelts. Which isnt mentioned.

The definition is literally in the post you replied to :rolleyes:

I know @SexyGreyFox has already posted it a second time, but just in case you missed it again, here it is for a third time:

8) In this regulation—

“body-restraining seat belt” means a seat belt designed to provide restraint for both the upper and lower parts of the trunk of the wearer in the event of an accident to the vehicle;

VincentHanna · 21 Nov 2023 at 16:39

Not really related but this came up on my YouTube feed.

Lol that Americans in 1980 thought they were "becoming a communist country" because they weren't allowed to drink and drive and had to wear seat belts.