Self identification, how far should it go?

Dis86 · 8 Oct 2019 at 22:22

As per title really. We're seeing people actively encouraged if they think they identify as a different gender or sexuality. Where are the limits to this?

Who determines what is acceptable and why?

Why is it if I identify as a rhinoceros I'm madman yet if I identify as a male on Tuesday's through Thursday, a pansexual of no defined gender on Friday and a gay woman on the weekend to Monday it's fine?

Should rules not be applied equally? Either you are what you actually biologically are or any of us can and should be allowed to be whatever we want!

robfosters · 8 Oct 2019 at 22:28

Well I’m sure there’s a limit when you’re actually identifying as a different species.

Dis86 · 8 Oct 2019 at 22:30

robfosters said:
Well I’m sure there’s a limit when you’re actually identifying as a different species.

What about nationality, race, age?

Tuppy_Glossop · 8 Oct 2019 at 22:31

I think it is less about self-identification and more about agency over how others think about you. Set the agenda.

LOAM · 8 Oct 2019 at 22:33

Do what you want.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Oct 2019 at 22:33

There is no limit. Be who you want to be! Do what you want to do!

If you want to be an Alien then be my guest.

mjt · 8 Oct 2019 at 22:41

Why does it bother you?

jsmoke · 8 Oct 2019 at 23:08

Look up Romans 2 14-15.

BowdonUK · 8 Oct 2019 at 23:15

Wonders if OP is talking about the current social media storm about youtuber Trisha Paytas?

She's a female youtuber that promotes female products all the time on her channel. But because she feels she can identify with men more than women, she now thinks shes transgendger.

In her video these two lines she said right after each other highlights the confusion;

"Do I think I'm transgender? Yes I do a 1000%"

"Do I identify as my natural born gender? A 1000%"

enkoda · 8 Oct 2019 at 23:16

They can self-identify all day long so long as no one gets hurt-....oh, too late.....https://www.theguardian.com/society...ng-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison.

jsmoke said:
Look up Romans 2 14-15.

If that's a commentary on social morality then may I suggest Roger Hargreaves "Mr Men" books - far less preachy, and without the condoning of slavery, rape, incest and genocide.

Angilion · 8 Oct 2019 at 23:18

robfosters said:
Well I’m sure there’s a limit when you’re actually identifying as a different species.

Why? It's now a legal requirement to at least pretend to believe that biology has nothing to do with biology and all that matters is self-identification, that a declaration is what defines biology with complete disregard for actual biology. There's no internally consistent reason to place limits on that. There's no significant difference between a male person being "female" by decree while actually remaining male or vice versa and a human being "rhinoceros" by decree while actually remaining human. Or a 6 feet tall person being "4 feet" tall by decree while actually remaining 6 feet tall or vice versa. Or whatever. If a decree about biology overrides actual biology, then that's what it does.

jsmoke · 8 Oct 2019 at 23:19

enkoda said:
They can self-identify all day long so long as no one gets hurt-....oh, too late.....https://www.theguardian.com/society...ng-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison.

If that's a commentary on social morality then may I suggest Roger Hargreaves "Mr Men" books - far less preachy, and without the condoning of slavery, rape, incest and genocide.

It always sparks a big reaction.

[FnG]magnolia · 8 Oct 2019 at 23:20

Dis86 said:
I identify as a male on Tuesday's through Thursday, a pansexual of no defined gender on Friday and a gay woman on the weekend to Monday

Call me, babes :cool:

jsmoke · 8 Oct 2019 at 23:25

I honestly thought a lot of this stuff was buried in the 80's and 90's. It's kind of fake now.

Who remembers the 90's 'is he gay' kind of thing?

Deleted member 77746 · 9 Oct 2019 at 00:11

I’m what would happen if this was on msn messenger years ago and someone said ASL?

jsmoke said:
Who remembers the 90's 'is he gay' kind of thing?

What about “Look down you dropped your gay card”

dowie · 9 Oct 2019 at 00:17

People should be free to identify as whatever they want, it doesn't mean it necessitates legal recognition.

I mean if someone wants to play as an adult baby and identify as a 2 years old then that's fine, doesn't mean they can go enrol in an actual nursery.

If someone wants to be a furry and identify as another species then that's fine @FoxEye, doesn't mean he can take a dump in public in his local park.

Likewise if someone wants to identify as a different gender, like a man identifying as female, then that's fine, doesn't necessarily mean they should be in a women's prison if convicted of a crime or necessarily get access to a women's shelter, compete alongside actual females in sport etc.. they might get access to toilets and/or changing rooms etc..

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2019 at 00:25

Public service announcement @dowie

It's "otherkin" that identify as animals or dragon-squirrel-bats or whatever.

Furries are mostly humans who identify as humans who have their own interpretation of what "chasing tail" means.

dowie · 9 Oct 2019 at 00:36

FoxEye said:
Public service announcement @dowie

It's "otherkin" that identify as animals or dragon-squirrel-bats or whatever.

Furries are mostly humans who identify as humans who have their own interpretation of what "chasing tail" means.

Sorry, I probably have got it wrong and I'll accept your correction on faith, I'm not as familiar with it all as you perhaps are.

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2019 at 00:54

dowie said:
Sorry, I probably have got it wrong and I'll accept your correction on faith, I'm not as familiar with it all as you perhaps are.

My formative years were spent watching Cleo from Heathcliff, Thundercats, etc. The outcome was inevitable at that point.

[FnG]magnolia · 9 Oct 2019 at 01:01

Welp, here we are.