Sell the iPod to me.

Hxc · 21 Mar 2009 at 23:53

Buy a Zune

Vonhelmet · 22 Mar 2009 at 00:00

Hxc said:
Buy a Zune

For the true individualist!

mrochester · 22 Mar 2009 at 00:01

That's utter tripe. It's the combination of hardware and software that makes Apple products so successful. OS X is engineered to run on Apple hardware. A hackintosh might be cheaper but it's a hell of a lot less optimised or reliable.

That's to do with the fact that it needs to be hacked and nothing to do with any kind of special hardware that Apple is using. If we all had EFI as opposed to BIOS, OSX would be a piece of weewee to run.

Spyhop · 22 Mar 2009 at 00:09

MagicBoy said:
That's utter tripe. It's the combination of hardware and software that makes Apple products so successful.

With hardware being the exterior, user facing parts...

OS X is engineered to run on Apple hardware. A hackintosh might be cheaper but it's a hell of a lot less optimised or reliable.

No, it's engineered to run on Intel, IBM, ATI, Nvidia, ... hardware :/

MagicBoy · 22 Mar 2009 at 00:22

wush said:
With hardware being the exterior, user facing parts...
No, it's engineered to run on Intel, IBM, ATI, Nvidia, ... hardware :/

You might want to try that again. That's no where near any definition of hardware.

Apple are not interested in opening up the Macintosh/OS X to the PC clone hordes. Apple made botched attempt at licensing the hardware and software in the 90s and it ended up a a mess. The Macintosh is a product that happens to be 95% similar to a PC using some industry standard components. It's close enough that Apple can engineer in the extra functionality to enable their hardware to run Windows via Boot camp. A PC it is not. OS X is an OS for Apple Computers only. The fact that it can be adapted illegally to run on non Apple hardware is irrelevant.

As an aside Apple switched to x86 based CPUs as Motorola/IBM were unable to provide PowerPC processors that were competitive - the Pentium M was far ahead of everything else for power per watt.

Anyway this is drifting well off topic. Feel free to debate Apples hardware platforms, licensing history and the Star Trek project in another thread.

Spyhop · 22 Mar 2009 at 00:36

You said the hardware that makes Apple products so successful, that's largely the exterior hardware, not the internal hardware.

MagicBoy · 22 Mar 2009 at 00:39

I think you are confusing "external hardware" with design.

Spyhop · 22 Mar 2009 at 00:43

To the dictionary!

Range · 22 Mar 2009 at 11:35

I can sell you my Sony.

Logsi · 22 Mar 2009 at 12:25

MagicBoy said:
Not going to disagree with that. The earlier iPods were more aspirational than the current mass market devices. I'm keeping my 3rd Gen until it dies.

Hmmm the 3rd Gen is a beauty! Still have my "little" 20 gigger. Best looking and most iconic. Had to replace my battery though!

MagicBoy · 22 Mar 2009 at 22:25

Logsi said:
Hmmm the 3rd Gen is a beauty! Still have my "little" 20 gigger. Best looking and most iconic. Had to replace my battery though!

Same here. £4 from eBay!

Nick1881 · 23 Mar 2009 at 08:58

Buy a Cowon D2.

I had the unfortunate experience of iTunes at the weekend and all I can say is omg what a steaming pile of poo, 70mb of carp and you need a further 20mb of quicktime just to install this rubbish, then the transfer speed to a Shuffle was stupidly slow, avoid at all costs.

MagicBoy · 23 Mar 2009 at 16:37

mr_x_plosion said:
Buy a Cowon D2.

I had the unfortunate experience of iTunes at the weekend and all I can say is omg what a steaming pile of poo, 70mb of carp and you need a further 20mb of quicktime just to install this rubbish, then the transfer speed to a Shuffle was stupidly slow, avoid at all costs.

Thanks for that

Raymond Lin · 23 Mar 2009 at 16:44

Apple does drag and drop, you drag and drop it into itunes.

Then click Sync, i mean, how hard is that?

Nick1881 · 23 Mar 2009 at 20:59

MagicBoy said:
Thanks for that

np, I saved you from buying some junk iPod

Raymond Lin said:
Apple does drag and drop, you drag and drop it into itunes.

Then click Sync, i mean, how hard is that?

What if I don't want to install iTunes of fail?

MagicBoy · 23 Mar 2009 at 21:04

mr_x_plosion said:
np, I saved you from buying some junk iPod

No you didn't. I've owned a 3rd Gen for over 4 years now.

What if I don't want to install iTunes?

Fixed.

iTunes is very good at what it does. You can drag and drop between the library and the iPod within iTunes.

Lakeland · 23 Mar 2009 at 21:07

£81.04 & this item Delivered FREE in the UK

and for 119 you can get the 16gb version

good times

Nick1881 · 23 Mar 2009 at 21:11

MagicBoy said:
No you didn't. I've owned a 3rd Gen for over 4 years now.

Fixed.

iTunes is very good at what it does. You can drag and drop between the library and the iPod within iTunes.

But it doesn't really do that much, Winamp is 10mb in comparison and can sync an MP3 player to it. Why does it need quicktime just to install too? Its a horrible slow program to use, I can't stand it.

MagicBoy · 23 Mar 2009 at 21:18

iTunes uses Quicktime to import CDs and transcode files between formats. No point in duplicating the codecs within iTunes.

I suspect you've been using the PC version which can be a little clunky. The OS X version is fine. I'll concede it is starting to bloat a bit in current versions, but 90MB isn't really a hardship on modern broadband.

Spyhop · 23 Mar 2009 at 21:20

It is pretty bloated if you're not going to use most of it, but for full on music/podcast/touch-app-management/store/iphone-mail/calender/whatever syncing it's a pretty elegant package.

I gather they half-assed the Windows port, too, so that can't help.

iTunes uses Quicktime to import CDs and transcode files between formats. No point in duplicating the codecs within iTunes.

Huh? That doesn't fly from the user's standpoint. What's worse, having a couple more tiny DLLs sittings in the iTunes directory or being forced to install another entire application that you don't want?