sexual harassment (related to the recent C4 undercover program)

I can't help but feel that someone "acting" like a vulnerable female instead of actually being one causes different outcomes which in turn creates a different program that doesn't properly represent what's actually happening out there with these kind of things.

The world in this respect has changed very rapidly and some idiots that get drunk and think that following females around town after clubs and pubs is ok. It never has been but some blokes are pretty dam thick in this state.

I swear some people males and female should just be banned from drinking as that seems to be the common catalyst for situations like this to occur and it always seems to occur to the same set of people.
 
I agree, the dating website thing i think you just kind of have to expect (not the unsolicited sending of nudes - that is wrong, but the contact from people older than you if you have that age range set etc). Yes you could say it is creepy if the age gap is too large, but then for some people that is their thing so you just end up being judgemental. If both parties are at the age of consent then it is just opening up a whole new can of worms on where you set age boundaries etc (if you wanted to introduce legislation or something).

The video of that bloke following her back to her hotel room was horrible. She clearly made no indication she was interested in him, so he was clearly trying to take advantage of her drunken state. Not really sure how you stop that though, beyond bringing them up as children better, and to teach people how to respect boundaries and not take advantage of people when drunk.
 
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Although I symphathise.....
EVERYONE knows what goes on, DO NOT put yourself into the position in the first place, DO NOT get so drunk you end up wandering the streets alone putting yourself in the crosshairs of the filth of society, have some damm responsiblity.
This kind of thing is never going to change, there will always be horny men wandering around in the hopes they bump into a woman whos is completely off her face and doesn't know what shes doing.

Its almost as if getting drunk is a bad idea? do what you want in the safety of your own home with friend and family, why go out to sketchy places to drink yourself stupid? you know what the consiquences could be.
 
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Its certainly a problem. There are points to consider that are frequently glossed over, the first is its not something that all men do, far freaking from it.
We don't live in an ideal world, we know there are scum out there, you have a responsibility to protect yourself; if you're not in a state where you are fully in control of your own actions or behaviour its logical to assume others won't be either, to your detriment.
These actions are also definitely more prevalent amongst certain demographics. Just look at the mass sexual assaults over in the continent over the last few years as an example. Sadly too many heads buried too deeply in the sand on that one.
 
dLockers said:
Well dur, but are you saying we shouldn't believe victims?
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He's just pointing out the obvious issue here that default belief in all accusations (believe all women etc..) is a bad idea as some accusations are false ergo you can't necessarily believe all accusations.

So no, you shouldn't necessarily believe victims as you don't necessarily know whether they are a victim or not.
 
Quartz said:
No. False accusations are a thing and have serious, even fatal, consequences. Just because someone says X doesn’t mean that X is true.
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I've mentioned before about a guy I used to work with who was falsely accused by his ex when she was in a bad place in her life (he would have gone to jail if it wasn't for her best friend voluntarily going on record she'd done it to herself) - more recently they got back together again and seems she'd turned her life around. Sadly more twists to that story as she was killed by a drunk driver less than 2 weeks ago.

EDIT: The thing which I can't get out of my mind about it is she'd probably still be alive right now if he'd falsely been put in prison - life can be incredible messed up sometimes.
 
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dowie said:
I'd be curious as to what others thought of it if you did see it or indeed about the issue in general? How to better prevent creeps trying to take advantage of drunk girls etc..could be a bit more complicated than it initially seems.
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The sad thing is, I don't think it's possible to prevent creeps from trying to take advantage. I worry that culture will also play a huge part here.

Maybe as well as clubs having a minimum age 18 to enter, they should also have a maximum age? Say 35/40? I don't think that would necessarily remove the creepiness that goes on, but does potentially remove the big age gap that causes some creepiness.

I suppose one other major factor are things like the successful rape prosecutions. Some people are chancers because the rate of conviction is low and they feel like they're more than likely to get away with it.
 
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The sad thing is, I don't think it's possible to prevent creeps from trying to take advantage. I worry that culture will also play a huge part here.

Maybe as well as clubs having a minimum age 18 to enter, they should also have a maximum age? Say 35/40? I don't think that would necessarily remove the creepiness that goes on, but does potentially remove the big age gap that causes some creepiness.

I suppose one other major factor are things like the successful rape prosecutions. Some people are chancers because the rate of conviction is low and they feel like they're more than likely to get away with it.
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Quite a few clubs have restrictions on people entering alone though that doesn't stop it entirely.
 
GreatAuk said:
Yes I think it's a fascinating comparison to make... I remember it coming up in different contexts around the time that BLM was launched. In some spaces there were black men saying they found it racist when people crossed the road or seemed scared of them due to their race, and not crossing the road to avoid black men made it into some of those 'how to stop being racist' lists because it made black men feel like people saw them as threats to their safety. Around the same time was when I first saw widespread discourse around how men should cross the road to avoid passing women as it apparently made some of them feel unsafe. Trying to integrate these viewpoints would be very interesting!
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Living your life thinking about how every stranger you meet thinks you are a potential criminal and that the onus is on you to take actions to make them feel safe is not a good way to live. I also think it will have a negative affects on ones mental health and self image.

I personally no longer care, if a woman wants grab hold of her handbag and shrink into the corner when i get on an elevator that is her business. The only courtesy she will get from me is that I will ignore her and get on with my life.
 
Ah the usual, all men are bad and 'the good ones' must cross the street to make women feel safe.

dLockers said:
Well dur, but are you saying we shouldn't believe victims?
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I think maybe he is saying we need evidence rather than just someone's word. Entirely reasonable stance to take.
 
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