Shocking footage from the M1

~Mike~ said:
Has that coach driver been sacked yet?
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According to an earlier post he apparently resigned.

Orionaut said:
I actually (really) believe that the main reason for our generally good highway safety record is our use of roundabouts.

(Roundabouts are used in other countries, but they are far rarer)

This isn't so much because roundabouts are a "good thing" It is because they make people think about what they are doing and, in the main, drivers who are used to thinking about what they are doing will (for the most part at least) make better judgements about how they drive.

The go/no-go mentality that is encouraged by using traffic lights tends to turn people into zombies (as does meaningless speed limit complience)
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When I was in the US someone was commenting about how they trialled a roundabout at an accident black spot somewhere in Ohio... accident numbers vanished... because everyone was avoiding that bit of road.

EDIT: They do actually have roundabouts out there just not the smaller ones - fair few half mile odd sized loops of road with multiple ways on and off.
 
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Rroff said:
Your taking the mick write? ;)
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Phone keyboard & rushed posting ;)

Point stands though. Given his attitude of "screw the safety of others, as long as I get there on time", his inability to distinguish the difference between a two and a four letter word in the language he speaks every single day was merely icing on the cake and nothing more than a box ticking observation.

Well done mccarf, you passed the moron test with flying colours. Please collect your badge at reception.
 
Diddums said:
Phone keyboard & rushed posting ;)

Point stands though. Given his attitude of "screw the safety of others, as long as I get there on time", his inability to distinguish the difference between a two and a four letter word in the language he speaks every single day was merely icing on the cake and nothing more than a box ticking observation.

Well done mccarf, you passed the moron test with flying colours. Please collect your badge at reception.
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CAPTAIN ENGLISH IS ANGERED :mad:
o noooo
 
Rroff said:
When I was in the US someone was commenting about how they trialled a roundabout at an accident black spot somewhere in Ohio... accident numbers vanished... because everyone was avoiding that bit of road.
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Kind of rests my case ;)

Our routine experience of roundabouts makes "Us" more competent and confident drivers (as a Pool, there are still tools out there, and roundabout discipline, or lack of it, tends to show them up!)

Back to the uselessness and time wasting involved in "Exhaustive accident analysis" however.

I give you this example. The Selby/Heck rail crash

AIUI, this was actually one of the most comprehensive and exhaustive (and therefore expensive!) accident investigations in history And yet to my mind I feel the only logical conclusion (As far as accident causation is concerned) could have been delivered in a single sentence while the blood of the victims was still wet!

"The crash barriers failed to prevent a vehicle that had lost control on the Motorway from ending up on the railway"

The reason why Hart lost control is irrelevant

I will repeat that!

THE REASON WHY HART LOST CONTROL IS IRRELEVANT!

This very expensive accident investigation was NOT about analysing why the accident happened. It was to apportion blame.

People had died so somebody had to go to prison! people had suffered economic loss so somebodies insurance company was going to have to cough up! (And the Polices job was to ensure that some suitable fall guy, not working for the highways authority, had to be found to be that fall guy, And no expense was to be spared in order to achieve this mission objective)

In the aftermath of the accident, the highways authority did do a review of crash barriers and (unsurprisingly) found that they were all just peachy (Apart from three sites, Of which the site of the Selby crash was not one :rolleyes: )

After all, they had there fall guy by then. No need to risk admitting any sort of liability by upgrading anything (though ISTR that they did eventually upgrade the barriers at Selby, and in quite a few other places too, though only some some years after the fact once things had died down a bit and they could get away with passing it off as routine maintenance/upgrades!)
 
bartledvd said:
I would think nothing will happen to them as they will just say something along the lines of i assumed it was a diversion as majority of traffic was going this way or some other bull story like sat navs

I do hope something happens though
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One of our local bus firms that :eek:

Well the driver no longer works for the coach company.
 
Glad to hear the coach driver has resigned, I hope he has his license revoked (although I doubt it!)
I've lost count of the times I could easily have done a similar move to avoid a jam yet strangely I've never done so, I'm undecided if this is because I'm not a bloody moron, I am a professional and drive according or maybe just because I have a tiny bit of common sense?

That driver was a fool, for him to put his passengers in that situation beggars belief, I hope he has the book thrown at him.


Orionaut said:
(Speed limiters on HGV's don't help either, AIUI a good number of HGV accidents involve drivers who plow into stationary traffic without apparently making any attempt to brake!)
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A very much higher percentage of accidents involving HGV's involved using hard braking I assure you!

Driving a speed limited vehicle in my experience in no way makes you more or less likely to not notice whatever it is that you could potentially plough into.
It's called driving without due care and attention and in serious instances, dangerous driving.

Plenty of vehicles have this type of accident, alas, of course, when an HGV is involved the consequences are usually dire for whatever it hits.
 
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These days, with multiple scandals of the authorities leaving people trapped with utter contempt in their cars for 5+ hours be it in baking hot or freezing cold weather.
The last time I came onto the M1 when it was like this I reversed off up the hard-shoulder of the slip-road and many followed.
 
snapdragon69 said:
These days, with multiple scandals of the authorities leaving people trapped with utter contempt in their cars for 5+ hours be it in baking hot or freezing cold weather.
The last time I came onto the M1 when it was like this I reversed off up the hard-shoulder of the slip-road and many followed.
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And if an emergency vehicle needed to use the hard-shoulder to get to the scene of an accident whilst you decided to reverse up it?

Honestly the stupidity on show in that video and by yourself is worrying.
 
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