Should Britain give back items accumulated from different countries?

Can't believe no one has yet said the Greeks appear to have lost their marbles over this.

Laser scan and 3D print it and send them that. Job done. Include a 2nd hand game of Kerplunk off of Ebay as an extra good will gesture.

And they can seriously sod off if they ever want to licence the doner kebab.
 
On the news today is saying the Greek PM wants the Elgin Marbles back in Greek.

Sunak as seemingly snubbed him for a meeting and past him to another government minister. The Greek PM felt insulted and left.

Generally I think the only moral argument for keeping something this old is if we think there is a chance the items would be damaged or not protected.

But in cases like this with Greece those problems don't exist so I think we should hand them back to various countries. Keeping them is like clinging on to the past.

Perhaps we should return them in the state they would have been rendered into if Elgin hadn't brought them off a bunch of greek peasants: take a hammer to them and turn them into rubble.
 
I would rather we returned them to Greece.

Edit. Not some kind of ridiculous wholesale virtue signalling apologetic gesture - I mean when a country wants an item back and the grounds are sensible then we should return it.
 
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We can start with entire villages of British expats in Spain. I got a few Spanish friends that would be delighted to remove them.

Your spanish 'friends' (that don't exist) are not in Governemnt or the majority. They want more of us and want us to stay longer:


The French too it seems.
 
Why are people so attached to the Elgin marbles? How many people here have actually seen them in the last five years?

(Having said that, I will riot if we return the Ea-Nasir tablet to Iraq)
 
Shirley the correct solution here is to set up some kind of presevation governing body to work across various countries to ensure the preservation of these artefacts, irrespective of how they were obtained? Ownership can be whoever, they can be in rotation and every country involved gets to enjoy them for a bit before moving on.

Culture should be taught and celebrated, and locking it away in specific areas just shuts it down for most.

We could call this the "Celebration, Unification and Nationalization Trust for Chris Wilson".
 
This also needs context in some regards until the mid part of the 19th Century and probably later. The victor in war taking loot would have been the international norm, not the exception. Constantly trying to redefine the past against hyper politicised views on victimhood is a fools errand. Not that it applies in the case of the Elgin Marbles, but certainly does for things like the Benin Bronzes, which we took from the delightful slavers of Benin.
It's about rectifying the mistakes of the past. Lawful things (esp formerly lawful things) can still be mistakes. Slavery was lawful at one point.

It's also about building better relationships and respecting each other.

How doomed is our species if we can't even do that. (It is doomed - we can't).
 
Perhaps we should return them in the state they would have been rendered into if Elgin hadn't brought them off a bunch of greek peasants: take a hammer to them and turn them into rubble.
Yes because what the world most needs right now is for everybody to be as petty as possible and for everyone to go around poking each other in the eye.

Can't see any downsides to that.
 
Britain should not give anything back.

As soon as they do, the usual Britain/empire hating types will never shut up about returning other artefacts to Egypt etc, and put UK in a difficult position. & we all know Egypt is an Arab Spring away from some crazy government who would just destroy it all.

I can't really think of a better caretaker of world history than British Museum. And this stuff is still around so if its not broke, don't fix it ;)
 
Britain should not give anything back.

As soon as they do, the usual Britain/empire hating types will never shut up about returning other artefacts to Egypt etc, and put UK in a difficult position. & we all know Egypt is an Arab Spring away from some crazy government who would just destroy it all.

I can't really think of a better caretaker of world history than British Museum. And this stuff is still around so if its not broke, don't fix it ;)

I'll just leave this here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66543589

(Ok the Stones might be hard to steal)
 
Your spanish 'friends' (that don't exist) are not in Governemnt or the majority. They want more of us and want us to stay longer:


The French too it seems.
Yes Spain wants old farts served by local tax avoiding businesses instead of young productive people paying their taxes and creating offsprings. The delusion is too strong hence the disdain from Spanish people.
 
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Your spanish 'friends' (that don't exist) are not in Governemnt or the majority. They want more of us and want us to stay longer:


The French too it seems.
More money out of Britain by betrayers.
 
Britain should not give anything back.

As soon as they do, the usual Britain/empire hating types will never shut up about returning other artefacts to Egypt etc, and put UK in a difficult position. & we all know Egypt is an Arab Spring away from some crazy government who would just destroy it all.

I can't really think of a better caretaker of world history than British Museum. And this stuff is still around so if its not broke, don't fix it ;)
That's why you should never return someone's wallet. I mean, if they were unable to keep it safe the first time, it could just happen again? And then somebody else would have the money. And they might not give it back. And what if they were a terrorist? Then you've just given money to terrorists.

So that's why when you find someone's wallet (or maybe steal it) you absolutely shouldn't give it back. Just think of all the horrible things a terrorist might do with that money.
 
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