Should Fergie stay or go at the end of this season (or before?)

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Thoughts from both fans & others not so inclined ;)

Personally I think the strain is definately starting to show following him calling a fan "an idiot" at a press conference. A number of Man U fans I have talked to have admitted being unsure about him now given some of his signings, not to mention the cost of them & stubborness is decisions.

Then again, he has shown he is more than a capable manager as most will admit if they are being honest with eachother, I say most as some are just too stubborn ;)

For all the worry mongering they are still in a respectable position in the league, going well in Europe & have a big solid squad and a stupid amount of money which wont go anywhere for some time so unless something drastically bad happens I don't see there being that much pressure being heaped on him to leave at the end of the year or much less before that.

But, in the interests of the club (before someone says yeah he should stay as it means more points for x team) should he stay or should he go?

P.S. This is intended on being an opinion orientated thread, not one where someone says something which another does not agree with & a bit of flaming starts. Keep calm or i'll start bashing heads...or will get kev to start sitting on people, paz to be yellow near someone, or majic to bodyslam a few of ya :p
 
first of all i am not a man utd fan - im a southampton fan so u may not value my opinions anyway as i obviously dont have a brain to support the team i do :D

i personally feel that fergie should have left when he said he was going to leave. It was his own personal pride that kept him going when he realised he wasnt going to win anything in his final season. I feel this was selfish of him but i can understand him wanting to stay as otherwise people might just remember him for 'that' season.

His signings havent been that bad, just inconsitent - i am a HUGE admirer if Veron and think that if he was used correctly, united would present a much bigger force than they do at this time. However, personally i feel that ferguson has used him incorrectly.

He has also tried to change the way united play for some reason. When they won the treble they were the best attacking team around. They scored one, then another and another, and didnt stop till the final whistle. Now (like against olympiakos this season in greece) he wants his team to get in the lead and then PROTECT it. Why???? Their best form of defence is attack and when they are going forward u dont notice their defence because they arent needed!!!!

Personally though, i think he has lost the plot now and is the reason man utd wont win anything yet again this season.

Btw out of interest, when does his newly signed contract finish???

Hinch
 
Fergie does seem to lose it at times, but I always put that down to passion and the fact that both Liverpool and Arsenal are contesting United's domination.

United are still in the Champions League and the Premiership title race, so I don't personally see any reason for panic. Once the transfer window is open again, a couple of strategic purchases could give them the impetus to go on a long unbeaten run, which could easily see them win the title.
 
I think he should have gone.

But having read what he has said in the news of the world I think this year may again be a right off, however he has said that he needs to rebuild the squad fr next season. This I am in total agreement with.

In my view there is a lot of deadwood to be cleared out at the club.

Barthez
Nevilles
Butt (not deadwood but unneeded)

If those four players went they should bring in upwards of 15-20 million which needss to be spent on signing young (18-23) year old players who have the heart and desire to drive the team forward.

If he does this then next season could be the one where we get back to our best. If he doesn't I see it being another season thrown away.
 
Originally posted by [ASSE]Hinchy
Btw out of interest, when does his newly signed contract finish???

Hinch
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2004, although according to teletext he said in notw (memph wanna check?) that he may stay on after that as well, all depends on how he feels. He has also said a shake up of the squad may be in order so it is possible we will see some interesting things happening at Old Trafford soon.

Personally from a neutral perspective I would like to see young Richardson get some more games as he looked very lively when played.

Must admit I agree with...everyone so far :D
 
Who to take his place has to come into the equation too.Like Sven as England coach I think he's made a few errors of late,but when you look round for poss replacements,maybe they still are the best options atm.I dunno basically :D
 
I heard about Fergie calling a fan an idiot at the AGM too - didn't the fan ask Fergie whether he had spent money wisely, buying players like Veron? Seems a legitimate question - the fan was a shareholder, surely he deserved an answer. Veron has to be the biggest waste of money in British football history - Fergie is either too stubborn or stupid to realise that.
 
With any luck things are just coming to their natural conclusion at United. I can only think of of Liverpool the past that managed to reinvent itself a third time, and that took a major overhaul (Barnes, Aldridge, Houghton, Beardsley). Sir Elax`s signings haven`t fitted in as well, so I`d imagine 10 years of reasonable mediocrity lies ahead. The youth system seems to have stopped producing the goods, and so you are unlikely to get another crop of superstars unless you pay for them, something the PLC doesn`t seem to appreciate.

Sir Elax is past it now. He seems to believe the myth that the media has created around him. The tema will need a new long-term appointment before it can start to rebuild.
 
I think he is doing a brilliant job, 5th in the league, 9 points off the top, and the team not scoring freely, beaten by Man City for the first time in donkeys years ;)

Keep up the good work Sir Alex, hopefully he can take them down to the First Division :)
 
Originally posted by Big Kev
Fergie does seem to lose it at times, but I always put that down to passion and the fact that both Liverpool and Arsenal are contesting United's domination.

United are still in the Champions League and the Premiership title race, so I don't personally see any reason for panic. Once the transfer window is open again, a couple of strategic purchases could give them the impetus to go on a long unbeaten run, which could easily see them win the title.
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I agree with this, They haven't got worse, other teams (ie Arsenal and Liverpool) have caught up.

However, if he does not change things at the club to keep his players on there toes there is a real danger of the club going stale and just being also rans ala Liverpool in the 90's.

They will never be a bad club, just wont dominate the way they are used to. I personally like there to be at least 3-4 or more teams capable of winning the championship, makes it more interesting and just because Man Utd haven't won the title by christmas doesn't mean Fergie has lost the plot, it just means there is competition and long may it last
 
It could just be more of a case of the clubs around Man U improving their squads and possessing more of a threat. As can be seen from the league last year turning 2 draws into 2 wins could have moved you 8 places up the league, thats how close it was.

I think Ferguson maybe needs to start criticising his players when they don't have a good game, and actually dropping them when they aren't performing.

T
 
fergie in my opinion isnt after the prem any more..as long as he gets into the Champ Leauge idont think he cares very much if they win the title or not. This is because if he wins europe he can say to who ever wins the prem that we are European Champions and not English champions. Surely if ur european champs its better than being English champs?
 
Originally posted by Dorza
fergie in my opinion isnt after the prem any more..as long as he gets into the Champ Leauge idont think he cares very much if they win the title or not. This is because if he wins europe he can say to who ever wins the prem that we are European Champions and not English champions. Surely if ur european champs its better than being English champs?
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Your Kidding yourself if u think he isnt after the premier league, indeed he concentrates on europe a lot but this in no way means he doesnt wanna win the league im sorry but what u said is plain wrong

Madrid were not so impressive in la liga last yr iirc but coz they won the european cup everyone called them the best.

like others have said fergie has finally met his match in wenger and coz his team isnt dominating as usual people think he is doing a bad job
 
I think you'd be wrong to say that the teams around us are getting better (Liverpool and Arsenal, mainly)... quite simply United are getting worse. Since the realease of Jaap Stam, we've gone backwards.

Signings:
Laurent Blanc: Bad to start with, easy buy but now proving himself, will be gone at the end of the season, but a world class player that has had it.
Ruud Van Nistelrooy: World Class striker, not on the best of form compaired to last season, simply because hes not getting the support or service, add to that injuries too.
Juan Sebastian Veron: A true talent and a real clever player, tbh i think that he has a problem playing in this country or the speed of the game. Watch how he has a tendancy to kick the ball too hard sometimes. But used in the incorrect way.
Rio Ferdinand: Top quality player, but not worth the money, still needs more matches, but no probs so far. But not as good as Jaap Stam by a long way.
Deigo Forlan: Quick talented player has basic understanding problems, but vision and movement is second to none, but quite simply needs more games to buld on confidence.

Released:
Dwight Yorke: Enevitable really, he seemed to fade away from the team, and set never to return. A gifted player that seemed to fit in well, but i saw no reason to get rid.
Andy Cole: Worth releasing him, well yes... cos thats good business, but he would sure prove useful today.
Ronny Johnsen: Injury prone, but a decent skillful defender when played, never did too much too have a huge impact.
Teddy Sherrigham: I have no idea why Teddy was released, no need at all?!? Should have done this one more season and then retired. Bit pointless selling him, money isnt really an object.

I think we can get rid of both Nevilles, they seem to have both got worse over time. Once Blanc goes theres definetly a full back needed, someone like Bixente Lizearzu (sp?) would do nicely. Add to that another forward, one for the furture kinda thing.

But more importantly i think we should switch back to a 4-4-2 standard "wingers" system:

Neville-Brown-Ferdinand-Sylvestre
Beckham-Keane-Scholes-Giggs
vNistelrooy-Solksjaer

This leaves out Veron, i think its either Veron or Scholes! when Keane doesnt play Butt should only when Keane or Butt dont play then Veron and Scholes should have the midfield. But its esentiall to have 2 forward and 2 wingers.

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I can't say that I was particularly surprised when Fergie decided to stay on, nor when I heard he'd signed a new extension to the current contract. For his own personal reasons he'd never be able to take on another club team. Manyoo is HIS team, and for a few years after he goes that legacy will still remain. I cannot see him ever at another club. I think he'll sit on the board though. For the club itself, who would they bring in? Who would be stupid/brave enough to step into the shoes of a manager that has won so much? Especially when the club failed to win anything last season and may not win anything this season. There does need to be an overhaul at the club, but it would need to be a brave man to attempt it.

There are major weak links in the squad, especially at the back. Ferdinand is off form and currently prone to injury, Blanc has never looked right in the Prem, Brown isn't good enough, neither are the Nevilles. Silvestri looks suited to the role he has when he plays, but the entire manyoo back line has seemed prone to injuries over the past few seasons - and they've never looked right since Stam went. Rio was better at Leeds than Stam was at Manyoo, but he doesn't look half the player ATM.

It has been said that Veron and Beckham struggle to play in the same team and I must say I agree with this. When Giggs plays you have him, Veron, AN Other and Beckham in the middle of the park, none of whom have any defensive capabilites, if you put Scholes in there you have a midfield with LOADS of goals in it, but no-one who can tackle or who even works back for the defence, leaving the defence with no cover.

This is where Keane comes in when he's not injured/suspended. Unfortunately he's out too much. When Keane isn't around it's Butt that comes in. And Butt just isn't good enough to play at the top level for ANY club.

Up front Nistelrooy has struggled this season, had a lack of form when he played and has had plenty of injuries. Forlan always looks like he's about to do something brilliant, and then it turns out almost brilliant and doesn't come off. I think he might have to start doing the simple things a striker does as well as pulling efforts on goal out of nowhere et al. Solskjaer also seems to be struggling for goals this season. He would usually have more goals from the bench than he does from the starts he's had so far.

I think a good centre-half to partner Rio is required, plus a big-name striker to compliment whoever is playing up front at the time too. Someone guaranteed 25+ goals a season (Kluivert, Shevchenko, Ronaldo, someone really at the top of their game).
 
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He absolutely should stay , his pig headedness will drag them down to a point where it may take several seasons to recover . He is turning into a new version of Brian Clough by the day , rapidly losing the plot , refusing to listen to anyone . At least he's not resorted to the booze like cloughie did ;)
 
Originally posted by Bossman
I think you'd be wrong to say that the teams around us are getting better (Liverpool and Arsenal, mainly)... quite simply United are getting worse. Since the realease of Jaap Stam, we've gone backwards.
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Thats a rather arrogant statement you make there, I know its your opinion and I am not flaming you but if it was a case of you getting worse and not the others in England improving then surely your decline would be reflected in your showings in Europe aswell as in the league?

Just a thought :)
 
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Originally posted by daz.wallace
Thats a rather arrogant statement you make their, I know its your opinion and I am not flaming you but if it was a case of you getting worse and not the others in England improving then surely your decline would be reflected in your showings in Europe aswell as in the league?

Just a thought :)
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yep most utd supporters i know are arrogent ;)

they cant admit that arsenal right now are as good as they were in their prime its tough for them to understand but aah well :D
 
Originally posted by daz.wallace
Thats a rather arrogant statement you make there, I know its your opinion and I am not flaming you but if it was a case of you getting worse and not the others in England improving then surely your decline would be reflected in your showings in Europe aswell as in the league?

Just a thought :)
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I'm a hopefully non-arrogant Utd supporter but come on - do you really think United have not got worse in the last few years? Yes other teams have improved but Utd have gone backwards as well. The team is stale and dodgy signings haven't helped.
 
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